Both laptops have the same price.
which one you think is better ?

(already used) MacBook Air 250GB SSD Nvidia Graphics 4GB RAM Intel Core i5 Processor

(brand new) HP Pavilon 1TB HDD Nvidia Graphics 12GB RAM Intel Core i7 Processor.

I'd go for the hp one

How much are you paying? Obviously if you do not care about fast file transfer the HP is just better performing hardware.

How is this a question? Unless you need the Mac for a specific (MacOS-related) use case, any other machine is going to be better value.

That said, is your only alternative _really_ HP?

699.99 USD

@tullo-x86 i need a very performant laptop and in the dame time i need xcode so i'm a little bit confused

@moolsbytheway If you need Xcode it'll have to be the Mac :(

Unless you can get a cheap Mac Mini alongside the HP

Do not buy a MacBook Air in 2017.

@Dominic lol why ?😅😅

@tullo-x86 whats wrong with hp

@moolsbytheway The last Update was in 2014 and you don’t want do spend to much money for a 3 year old hardware unless you have a very good offer.
The Screen is for today Standards also unexceptionable.

@Dominic 😨😨😨😨

@moolsbytheway
HP's hardware leaves a lot to be desired. It has good specs, but the hardware components are cheap. I see several HPs in my shop that fail after the first year

What is your use case? If just web development you can go for the hp and either keep windows or switch to Linux. If you are developing mobile and web then mac and that ain't even a question. Macs last and are worth every penny, but it is not good to constrain yourself to a single environment.

If the HP one has geforce 940mx 4gb then it's exactly what I'm using rn. Dual boot works fine.

What about ram speed and front side bus of mother board?
I have computer at work that has a crappy dual core pentium, and 2200 front side bus, ddr4 ram and SSD.

I can assure that speed is more relevant than dimension and power (no need for a i7)

Never buy a mac unless someone else pays for it

Go for HP..!

@RiderExMachina good point

@AleCx04 i prefer the HP because its new and its specs arent bad but im a fan of quality hardware and battery lasting and Macs just have that

@mngr Nope zero knowledge on that side

@whaleablemofo 😂😂😂

I'd avoid any HP that isn't from their Spectre or pro line.

Hp and change the hdd to ssd?

To be honest I wouldn't buy a Mac, and the HP pieces feel cheap, and some HP have thermal issue, so I'd look up for a third option

take the hp and change hdd with an ssd

@moolsbytheway “I need Xcode”
(sry, it has to be mac 😭)

thnx all of you. what about MSI laptops @ragrr4 @shelladdicted @justsomeguy

@moolsbytheway MSI really depends on the model you're considering. Which one's were you looking at?

just saw one in the shop. don't know realy much about them 😕

@moolsbytheway That would be a better choice