> "Just keep your battery charge between 25% and 75%, bro! It will slow the wearing of your non-replaceable battery!"

So you want me to artificially halve my useable battery capacity just so its actual capacity reduces slower?

That's the insanity with non-replaceable batteries.

A user-replaceable battery is almost like a battery that never dies. No effort wasted with tedious "battery care". No worries about weardown from high usage. Just enjoying using the device.

I am ok to have a bulky phone. In fact, more than happy to have one compared to a slim slightly more slippery non replaceable battery phone

Yes - it is totally unfair to produce devices with difficult to replace batteries - and put the blame on consumers for not charging optimally.

battery replacement should certainly be more affordable, and even encouraged. It’s insane that my parents think they ”need to buy new phones” because their current phones are downthrottled due to battery degradation, they should be encouraged to replace the battery - but ”it’s so expensive, and we might not get updates anymore - so might as well buy a new phone”

This is one thing I hope RightToRepair and similar projects will help

And dare I say it seems like EU regulations have been the most effective way to enforce actual improvements in these kinds of areas (EU sucks in many other areas though, don’t call me an EU regulation lover)

…allthough at the same time - the mere existance of cheaper battery replacement options might not influence a significant amount of consumers.

Many will run their hardware for as long about 3 years and even if battery replacement was free they’d still buy a new device because OS updates are limitied to 3 years.

@asgs And thicker phones are more resistant to bending, see the iPhone 6 Plus slim design bendgate scandal.

@jiraTicket yep. EU already decided it. will come into effect in 2027

Fairphone exists already if you want to vote with your wallet

@exerceo we could also get rid of these ugly camera bumps by increasing the thickness of our phones

I solved my battery problem by... Purely accidentally acquiring a battery bank that sits in my backpack

Though really, when I was 18 or so I poofed cuz home problems, and the police kept making my phone boot up... Cuz someone reported me missing. Then they called the places I stayed at. I was drunk so I was so tripped out by it. But if I removed the battery (which you could on those phones) then the problem stopped happening

And now you cannot ever turn off your phone for real. Someone wants to track you even if you turn it off they will run it back on. No more removable batteries. Climate cult should have a riot; why throw out a whole phone when you could reduce the waste, no? But then "muh totalitarian state" goes I guess

@electrineer And there is also Librem. I hope they will exist in a decade or two.

But if non-replaceable batteries are outlawed, we are likelier to have replaceable battery phones in two decades.

@electrineer i'm very happy with my FP3. it's remarkably robust, as well. survived a three meter fall onto stone with _no_ visible damage. survived falling into a lake, as well.

I rarely hear how much the 25-75 thing actually helps, which is pretty important info. If it doubles the cycles of the battery (which would be a pretty bold claim in all other contexts), it's exactly making up for the halved cycle length, and I just have a smaller battery.

@lorentz chips in the battery prevent the serious damage of over charging in particular. So you never get a real 100% change.
It is a serious issue and that is why normal car batteries are PB based. Those are great for constant charging but deteriorate when depleted.

TBF this is easily achievable if you start off with a big enough battery... My current 5yo phone has a 10ah battery and it's only recently that I've started charging beyond 70% and discharging beyond 30%. Even now I can forget to charge it one evening, leave the house with 30% and have zero anxiety about making it through the day. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@alturnativ how heavy is that phone?

@electrineer ...quite 😂 it is by no means slim, but that hasn't caused me any issues over the last 5 years.

all batteries are replaceable if the end-user isn't a little bitch. inhale the lithium fumes today and you WILL see god, guaranteed!