A programmer that goes through a book to look for an explanation on something, that goes to a library and does their own research using the local database viewer to search books by content and topic, that spends hours, days, weeks on this.

@Hazarth I'm lacking optimal skill in it. I already have a strong foundation but I need to become stronger at it because the industry problems get increasingly complex. An example project I had to deal with was where one of the core formulas used for the system was formally expressed mathematically in code as well as referring to a mathematically formally-expressed document. This document is as academic as they come and it talks about proofs and shows complex algorithms. Why was this drafted? So they could justify the complexity to Business (budgeting). Now, I don't have a tremendous amount of experience with mathematics and data structures. If I look at a mathematical proof and the complex algorithm in code, my brain tries to understand it step by step, but it's hard. Someone else looks at the code and goes "Ah yeah makes sense" but they are of a mathematical background. A second instance is modeling a backend. Somehow some people magically know what fits, but I don't.

Jurassic Park but with cat. https://youtube.com/watch/...

It will reinforce your neural pathways to learn something new in addition to reinforcing the already-existing ones. This will result in better insight generally which you can use to become even better at solving problems.

@Hazarth Well, I am aware there are people who don't improve (mainly because of factors not necessarily related to them).

Ah yes, a lot of effort and time. I added it up. I spent a total of 11 years in two colleges educating myself to become a sharp Software Developer and Computer Scientist. The last six years in college were the real transformation. At that time I was even promoted to Valedictorian, but I had a drive that no one else had and I am a great teacher as well, uplifting my entire class of 100+ students to passing the exams while they themselves were really bad at Computer Science.

And of course, you need a strong theoretical framework combined with active learning in the case of science-like activities. I still have a long road to go, but I find it highly annoying that the industry demands high skills from me already when 70% of the time I've never even worked with the technology. Like putting DevOps guy to do SoftwDev.

Are you talking about the visuals, the internal orchestration or both?

@CoreFusionX I think it is possible to rewire your brain.

@cuddlyogre Of course, that's why we have the fundamentals of our higher education, but it doesn't take away that they don't allow us time to become great at several different technologies with the timeframes they pose.

I think it's better than Treaty 40 minutes. Just kidding.

I think supremacy can be achieved through expert development in a field. A doctor would typically have classical science supremacy over an average person, and so on. A developer will have supremacy over topics in Computer Science over the average person. If the person is good and and industrious about it, they merit the supremacy.

@jestdotty Thank you for your advice. Yes, I equally get stupid comments from toxic devs as well, but thankfully it's not many devs.

@jestdotty Yes, games are stupid. I just come in to work and get out.

@retoor Except for those who are too lazy and continuously scratch by with techs while portraying to everyone positivity whilst having no skill. It's not commendable and it also make the serious hard workers (like me) look bad who aren't lucky enough to gel with the team. This results in hard workers not being given opportunities while the unskilled jokester keeps getting new ones. That's not exactly a good system and it's infuriating.

@cuddlyogre The problem is that only knowing surface-level of the many technologies will not suffice.

@int32 Yes, and I think you are aware that companies these days let you work on all these techs at the same time without even paying for it. It's all the cheapskate mentality these days.

It could be argued that if you are a Vue developer, you can extrapolate those skills to Angular and React, as I did. It's not optimal, but it works and I understand your frustration in that situation.

@kamen I'm referring to those who are not assholes.

@antigermgerm These requirements are straight from projects within the company. This is not external. Unfortunately the developers are asked to be Superman in these technologies as the clients are incredibly demanding.

@hjk101 I replied to you because you stated it has nothing to do with agile, when it does. I'm the original poster.

Given the agility behavior in agile, a retro is way, way too late and too costly to handle concerns in, especially when working on a user story. Everyone knows the average time stuck before you ask someone something is 4 hours to 1 day, depending, and in agile, if you don't voice your concerns in time, this is not appreciated because you impact the project's progress by not communicating effectively.

Sorry to hear you may think I downvoted you, but I didn't.

Of course you don't know what's going on in the team but you can make educated guesses. In this case they are too busy with other projects, but it's not that bad. My team always has a slot somewhere here or there to discuss a concern because they know we are a team, not an I. I don't know why you argue about being methodology-agnostic when I didn't mention a methodology but rather a (n)(agile) mindset.

@jestdotty That's p'hreposterouss! It's D'uck sz'easn!

@hjk101 I have taken my agile certificate.

In this instance, as well as in PRINCE2:

- The ability to quickly adapt to team inquiries rather than letting everything syphon through a bureaucratic line.

- Pick up on concerns quickly.

- Agile behaviors: adaptability, collaboration. Individuals and interactions over processes and tools. Responding to change over following a plan.

- Agile practices: frequent review of progress (retrospective). "According to the Agile Manifesto, teams should regularly reflect on how to become more effective and adjust their behavior accordingly."

@retoor That is the official measure, yes. There are various types of engineers, but they should have the degree stating so at the very least. Not to forget that that education comes with heavy mathematics and science the person went through to earn the title.

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@Root Yes. No. Start the game already! Monk, I need a monk!

Do you have headphones on right now and are you away from everyone? LoL.

@BordedDev Lmao!

@Chewbanacas Lmaooo. Taking the term literally is not very agile indeed...

@jestdotty On the outside you're ablaAAaze-and-aliiive, but you're dead inside! Du, dudududududum, waahh!

@nemetepst It seems to make some sense.

This sounds strangely like it could be applied to Software Architecture and how the industry vomits 'solutions'.

@antigermgerm I might have a guess at virus.

@jestdotty I'm sorry to hear that.

Yes, it is important to not take their way of life. The one annoying thing in certain industries is that you're constantly measured like a rat against your own peers and the industry, as if you have to somehow prove you're worthy of your own job. It's very stressful.

Powertrippers are the worst.

At least you're on your road to improving.