@linuxxx might like this:
https://qz.com/1131515/...

If you're using internet there is no such thing as privacy !!

@Aitkotw Devs should accept it lol

This isn't really surprising, but well. Fuck google

@Aitkotw Bullshit. And I already explained why :)

@linuxxx personally I don't care about privacy and stuff but I know how it works, I know how some of it works. I know you've told me about E2EE but tell me how many apps/browsers/software you use on daily basis? I'm pretty sure most of them don't use E2EE. Apart from this, do you know the route of your packages are coming/going from, yeah I know with the help of traceroute you can trace actual path but how do you know where they are not trying to store and decrypt your packet. Stories and selling user data is the way to earn money for today's tech companies, it doesn't matter whether it's big companies like Google or small/medium tech companies out there are. In the end, I'm not any security expert or something, I'm telling whatever I think is going on.

@Aitkotw Let me comment when I get home and have a proper keyboard :)

@linuxxx take your time, I'll be waiting

@Aitkotw Alright here we go.

The data you're talking about is data that can be disguised to a certain point but that's it (routes of packages etc).

Then, not all tech companies sell user data. For this example I'll refer to tutanota.com and Signal. Both open source, end to end encrypted communication apps.

They encrypt nearly everything with user generated keys which don't leave the device. Of course they could sell the little data they have but that's not nearly enough to even gain a slight profit (Signal only storing registration+last active date rounded to the day on their servers for example).

It's not about having control about EVERYTHING you do online because that is simply impossible.
It's about having a certain level of control over what data is exposed (or not) to what company/service/application.

My emails are fully encrypted so they can't look at those, that data is in my own control, same with my messages.

My ISP could sell my data but I use a VPN full time so they'd only get encrypted shit that they can't decrypt, useless to them.

It's not about controlling every online aspect of your life as that's impossible, it's about (in my case) controlling every aspect of my online life I personally can control.

@linuxxx how do you know, the VPN provider you're using isn't storing user logs? I'm sure you've heard about VPN providers like pureVPN and IPvanish. And as you said earlier, you can't control everything on the internet, but that's what privacy is all about, securing your data. I'm agree with you on some apps/software you're using is completely secure, but what about other software provider? What is the use of securing your data at one place and not caring about other places?

https://themerkle.com/ipvanish-and-...