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yes you can run giant businesses and not use software
salary should depend on supply and demand. so if there's a lot of js developers then supply is high and demand goes to meet it and their salaries are lower. but for tech a company relies on and they can't find employees for the salary will be higher
switching to new tech doesn't mean better paid. sometimes businesses will try to "Trojan horse" a tech into companies to have them enslaved to them, and this will boost salaries though
otherwise it's old tech that companies built on top of and need someone to maintain, and if a lot of people know the tech then the salaries will be lower because supply of devs is not a problem
leverage leverage leverage yada -
@b2plane react vs devops. Apples and oranges.
Don’t even know why you’re comparing the two.
You have some complex products built with react that justify high salaries.
Working devops you’re not dealing with business rules and product owners and designers and QA people and all that. I’d even go far as to say it’s an easier job than just doing devops -
@b2plane harder the tech the more you get paid would only apply if other devs took that into consideration and decided to avoid harder tech and this would've lowered supply of devs a company can hire while they still have the same demand for devs of that skill
if the local culture is "you should learn this complicated technology" and everyone successfully learns it then it won't be high paid anymore because there's more than enough devs for the companies that need them
I don't know knowledge on devops salaries though. this is all just theory but if you find salary info that would tell you if it would be worth your time or not -
@black-kite I compared them
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@jestdotty your explanation brings some nuance to the debate.
I especially "reacted" (get it?) to b2's dumb blanket statement "imagine someone just working react, now imagine…"
As if frontenders only work with a single technology and because of that their job is super easy. First of all, most frontenders don’t only work with a single technology. And as I said they’re dealing with so many more dimensions than devops people have to deal with -
@black-kite devops deals with a bunch of techs
also hardware problems
and everyone and their mother writing their own pipelining and testing
it's not any different frankly
aside from react is annoying. 90% of web dev jobs are react. I don't like react. Facebook saturated the field with their dumb library -
@fullstackcircus docker simplifies release management and development environment sharing. It's useful for most projects imo. Git gud.
K8s is a solution to scaling problems. Do not use unless you have scaling issues ffs. -
Let me guess, a Japanese company? Or a large corporate?
Even if it's not, in most legacy projects, you won't be able to include any modern technologies. That's a given. Cause the leads and managements behind are there for more than a decade and are unwilling to learn anything new. They will do anything to stop you to protect their jobs. So no matter what you say, it's an impossible feat.
I recently bailed out of such a job. It's good money but bad for the competitive future which is ever evolving.
I cant believe the project I'm working on does not use kubernetes or terraform. Not even docker. How is this multi trillion dollar project even in business?
I feel so sad for not having the opportunity to work with one of the most fundamental and most important technologies to know as a devops engineer... So sad
I cant advance or improve. Im just stuck in their ecosystem like Apple
This corporation is probably ran by 90 year old grandpa men from world war 1. However considering they are so large and still in business this gives me hope that anyone can make it even if you're stupid
Think about it
They are proof that you can run a giant business with hundreds of employees, not use k8s and the most modern devops technologies, and still operate just fine.
The devops code i have to maintain is older than the amount of years i exist. Its very messy and most of this shit is not even devops related. Its more of some kind of linux administrative tasks mixed with 3 drops of actual devops (bash scripts, ansible scripts, ci/cd pipeline)
And yet im paid more than i have ever been paid in any job so far
What should i do. Stay due to "high" money or..ask for a project with k8s. I put "high" in quotes because it is extreme luxury in my shithole country, im now among top 1% earners of the country, and yet i make less than 30k a year. With less than 30k a year i cant buy a good car but i can live very comfortably in my country. I cant complain about this salary since i think its finally enough to invest to get a chance to earn more and still have enough left to live comfortably.
Before i was just working to survive. Now im working to live. Its an upgrade.
Due to not working with difficult stuff like k8s i cant demand for more money. It wouldnt feel justified. I'm stuck here
What would u do
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