The only good thing about VISUAL STUDIO is it's tools (Developer console and Powershell).

Yeah, most former popular languages had best IDE's. Look at Delphi and Visual Basic back in days. Eclips / netbeans couldn't win from VS Studio / Borland products back in the day.

The markt is now saturated because even retoorscript could use vscode as IDE.

But really, powershell? It's like bash had a stroke. Like if Microsoft forgot that they could've cloned bash for free. If you can't beat them, join them. I know that PowerSHELL is nice extendable with #net but in comparison to bash with python it's nothing.

If this is what left of visual studio as being beneficial, vs really got sidetracked. Such a great IDE once.

I stated vscode as IDE example but imho it's only an IDE if it has a visual editor. I don't know how I came by this standard. I'm oldschool

@retoor Bash for windows. i said that Powershel dev tools

Does the VS developer shell do something that a regular dev environment opened in a regular editor with a regular console doesn't?

@lorentz It has all the env variables set up so you can do VS related things, where a normal console doesn't. Other than that, the experience is the same.

I much prefer Rider and Clion over anything Visual Studio.

@cuddlyogre Interesting, I never perceived envvars as such a complicated problem that OS config, a project-specific envfile, and build system scripting couldn't handle them completely.

I mean, there's only so many sources envvars can reasonably be associated with, mainly the code, the OS, and a finite number of modes to choose from.

@lorentz

Msbuild in general has the nightmare of managing many different versions of msvc without having shit like symlinks, update-alternatives, or similar mechanisms.

The developer terminals for each VS made sure you wouldn't shoot yourself in the foot by automatically setting everything correctly so a call to msbuild would be repeatable and consistent.

Then again, I'm also baffled at anyone thinking PowerShell is good.

Like, sure, they have made advances, but as @retoor said, it could have just leaned on bash, but they went their own retarded way.

I mean, what kind of shell doesn't even allow stdin redirection in 2024?

@CoreFusionX cool for agreeing with me on that part. I pulled statistics today and based on that info (part got lost before i've sent it my git server) people agree almost 50% of the time with me based on likes. The likes are amount of posts / amount of upvotes and it's like 50% making me ranking the 48th most popular devrant member. I will generate the popularity statistics again. So sad that I've lost them. It had some surprises in it.

But, why i'm telling this? Well, based on amount of votes is ofc not accurate and especially not in amount because 50 people didn't upvote you for example. So maybe only 1/50th of people agree with you in reality if they would be all people that often upvote. So, i want to scan mentions and if the result is positive or not with AI deciding who makes the most people pissed of or is most appreciated with a mention. A mention says a lot. I'm 315 times mentioned last two weeks. Record. But a mention is mostly instead of post for many. Many don't both

@retoor

Hahaha. Can easily answer that.

Don't really care about upvotes, and don't really care about political correctness.

That will drive any form of calculated or perceived support down.

You yourself (don't take this as a jab, please), skew the data by your own admission that you pretty much upvote everything.

I myself, for example, are much more limited in the updoots, because I hardly place any value in them.

@CoreFusionX I don't care either. But: i have a upvote ratio of 1 to 4. For every upvote I get, i do 0.25 upvotes. So, i'm not skewing upvotes. And yes, this ratio feels indeed like i'm upvoting a lot. But everyone that mentions me get's a upvote by default as a "i've read it" signal. Communication++;

What a jab btw. That hurts. Can barely walk. Auch, the pain

@CoreFusionX I really wonder what input redirection would look like in a structured shell. Maybe some function combinators?

the only good thing about visual studio is that you don't have to use it.

@tosensei I gonna apply AI on you to figure out what you actually DO like what is not is stated in profile. Next project

@retoor i like people NOT slapping AI on every pointless little thing. and ramen.

@tosensei fuck, you said smth new that you liked. Now I have to run imports again. Thanks a lot

@lorentz yes it has some tools e.g CMAKE, NMAKE, cl (c compiler for win) and vcpkg.

@AdamOnAir All of those tools run just fine in the regular command line too, possibly with a $PATH extension. Why wouldn't they?

all I'm saying is, setting envvars is like the most fundamental thing you can do in a scriptable shell, more basic even than running other programs. It's not an IDE feature and tying it to one sounds backwards as hell.

@typosaurus also: i like everything that is not on any list of things i like.

@tosensei are you trying to crash my llm's training with recursion? Nice, I appreciate.

@AdamOnAir CMake isn't a tool. A tool is handy. CMake should be renamed to CMaby.

@typosaurus gotta prepare for the resistance, you know? ;)

@tosensei didn't work on retoor9b the whole day. I spend time on making the statistics all more professional with useless type hints and stuff. I saw how beautiful the results are in combination with AI summary and I decided that it's the ultimate backend showcase project to demonstrate to future customers / employers. Downside is, those great statistics were made my gpt and my local models are not able to produce THAT quality. But often also surprising results. But the speed of gpt is absurd. For some reason gpt is blazing fast but just a slow typer. Propably cause of the ethics / woke filter it has to pass at the end. Double checking.