!rant

Today is one of many days fellas! Today my coworkers and I will fight again for more salary! Our company is making millions and billions of euros and we won't be gifted for our work!

I hope in your countries you have the same rights to fight for your money. If so, do it!

Sorry for no Dev realated post's!

TL;DR I have me no money

Telekom?

@pixelwiese Telekom

Is Gemeinsam a relative of Aria or Sansa? Is he/she a good ruler?

that sign is very scary

@matteusbrevik very good ruler. No it means together

Telekom had 21.931 Euros revenue as of 22.02.2018 (1 Euro currently equals to about 1.23 USD)

@systemctl you forgot some 0s

@stop Oops, I meant to write 21.931 billions 😅

Viel Erfolg! ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼

@SteffTek Oh hey, colleague! But I think we make enough money in our company! Or are you still a student/azubi?

@SteffTek Or is it that much different from PTI to IT?

In India companies take away our right to form unions and protest in the employment agreement.

@NotMe since January I am not a trainee anymore, but I fight not only for myself, because I have a good salary (but not great for a 2 people household) but many in our company don't...:/

@kai18 Jeah that's some bullyhit I right here

@NotMe I do a very high qualified job in PTI and still won't get over 2k on my bank account montly

@SteffTek I can only tell it from the TelIT situation, our salaray is pretty good and above normal. But good that you also fight for the others! And as I read your older rants, I think we have a good employer but we also need to change a lot, especially the old Software!

@SteffTek Oh that's sad to hear, but I think you will get a raise in the next years!

@NotMe I may think of becoming leader of my own team (Teamleiter)

@SteffTek Good plan! That's also my goal, but I'm still a student..

@NotMe you'll get there ;)

@SteffTek Will see.. But the good point, my boss already wants me permanently in his team, so I don't need to search for a job after it!

I keep hearing about company owners being proud of hiring “10 interns” and running their business with minimal cost
Bullshit, really makes me angry that even startup owners think like big business and see staff as something you should squeeze to death

Yeah. It’s shit, and you should absolutely raise the point about proper remuneration, but you kinda took the job knowing the salary... right?

If you want more then why not look for a better paying job?

This sort of stuff just makes companies warier around hiring, and that hurts everyone.

@Brolls 1. I work for the biggest ISP germanys (or Europe since we launched in further countries) 2. Not only for me, but I fight for trainees and students too!

@SteffTek yeah, I totally get your point, but the size of the company and it’s bank balance is largely immaterial.

Wages *tend* to follow market rates, and labour is still a product, entirely subject to supply / demand and profit margins.

It would be insane if a business hired people they made a loss on, so naturally they’ll try to squeeze as much profit out of a hire as possible, that’s partly the whole point.

I think it’s entirely fair to raise the point with the employer, but protesting etc only pisses them off. Vote with your feet.

@Brolls we are protesting because they mostly want to pay less, our (I think it's called) collective agreement is running out again and they want to pay way less

@SteffTek yeah it probably is a collective agreement through a union.

And yeah, that sucks.

But they’ll do it if they can get away with it, of course they will.

Forcing their hand this way tends to just build up resentment, and who wants to work somewhere that has contempt for their workforce?

A mass quitting though... well, that’d really fuck them over.

My advice would be to jump ship and find somewhere better - and encourage others to do the same.

@kai18 Unionism generally backfires because company may simply close the unit think that it isn't that profitable. Better way is to make yourself unique and important and then negotiate for better salary or look for some other places.

@vikaskr ver.di is an union you cant simply "ignore" and closing an division wont help.

@vikaskr you know why central europe is having the highest living standard in the world? Unionism.

@heyheni too much unionism drove away all industries from West Bengal

Actually I see it very critical when employees are fighting for more money. You guys signed a contract wen starting at that company right? And there was a salary on it.

That would be the same if you‘re signing a flat contract and after a year you decide for yourself that you want to pay less and until they don‘t accept your offer you don‘t pay anything.
WTF

@clay you know what inflation is? an example
you have been at an company for 4 years and you get 2000$ every month, the inflation is static at 2%.
year effective salary
0 2000.00$
1 1960.00$
2 1920.80$
3 1882.38$
4 1844.73$
unions make the negotiations about salary easier to manage, for both sides, instead of hundreds of employees who want to renegotiate, you only need to talk with 3 or 4 every few years.

You might want to add, that telekom in Germany is one of the better paying companies here...

@vikaskr in Germany you simply cannot just close something and fire the people working in it

@SteffTek no company simply closes Thier unit. They just reduced their investment gradually.

@stop most company here generally offer 5-10% yearly Hike in pay which is mentioned in contract. And if someone wants more they can simply put his claim through HR with proper reasons.

Unionism tends to be very drastic in India. Union leaders becomes very powerful. More and more demands starts flowing on weekly basis and then frequent strikes on denial of demands.

There used to be regular jobs for physical laborers. But due to over unionism now they are hired only on contract basis.

@clay there is only a salary group and every two years the salary of the groups is discussed

@AlexByJava genau das was man hören will! :D