I got attacked by ransomware and was asked for money...

I sent them my salary slip..They removed it from my computer immediately..

I wanna cry.

Found this in our codebase, apparently one of my co-workers had written this

Salary negotiation

I got a new job almost triple my old salary, I will move to a new city. I'm happy as fuck!

I got my first job as a programmer... for a salary twice as big as we had at home for four people. I'm f***ing excited!

Wish me luck :)

Reaching the end of a job interview, the Human Resources Officer asks a young engineer fresh out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, "And what starting salary are you looking for?" The engineer replies, "In the region of $125,000 a year, depending on the benefits package." 

The interviewer inquires, "Well, what would you say to a package of five weeks vacation, 14 paid holidays, full medical and dental, company matching retirement fund to 50% of salary, and a company car leased every two years, say, a red Corvette?" The engineer sits up straight and says, "Wow! Are you kidding?" The interviewer replies, "Yeah, but you started it."

My first ever salary made with coding came yesterday! 🎁

Companies asking if your desired salary is negotiable.

The Joker is very serious!

* Me entering the interview room:
Me: Hello
Interviewer: Hi, You are XYZ right?
Me: Yes, that is me
Interviewer: You know we offer {low_number} as a salary right?

*Me going out of the room

got my first salary!!!

Junior job requirements be like:
Required:
5 year experience in Php,
8 years experience in JavaScript,
Masters degree in CS,
10 years experience in React and or AngularJS

Bonuses:
Worked for Microsoft in their first year.

Salary: 20k/PA 6 month performance review.

As sad as true :[

Bye bye salary

first salary cheque

Fucking happy

based on true story
> delivered project on time
> giving good performance
> boss noticed
> gives appreciation
> raise in salary
> profit

I got my first salary...
Yaaaayyyyyyyyyy

I got a call from the recruiter today and she asked me for my current salary. When I told her, she replied "Based on your experience and skill set, that's too low".

"That's why I am looking for a job"

I cried internally 😥

Hehe, stumbled upon an oldie :-)

struct ComputerContractor
{
double salary;
long lunches;
float jobs;
char unstable;
void work;
int hiring_him_again;
const pain_in_the_arse;
unsigned agreement;
short fuse;
volatile personality;
static progress;
};
/* and there are no unions in sight */

Bought Macbook with my first salary 😍
That's oneplus 5 on the side 😋

A friend of mine went to her boss and said that she will quit if she won't get 50% salary raise - boss said ok. She told about it her working colleague so he went to the boss and said 50% or I'll quit - boss said cleanup your desk...

First rant, so here goes:
def initialize
@rant = 'when the contractor your boss brought in to help, whose weekly rate exceeds your monthly salary, doesn't know the difference between server side and client side technologies.'
end

!rant

We keep ranting about managers, here is something good about mine. He increased my salary a 100% of my current. Which is freaking awesome.

That's all have a good day. ☺️

this made me laugh

My non coder friend thinks typing a 1000 line document and coding 1000 line software/app are perfectly equal things and deserves equal salary.

Salary++

That sad moment when you realize that your salary is less than other employees, the most sad is you work harder and you have more skills.

Life is not fair.

A recruiter called today.

A new job proposal. Higher salary, manage some 5 men team, DevOps buzzwords, cool product, great conditions but then she says "and we're working only in Windows environment".

My ears ringed "only in windows env".. "only windows"... "windooowwssss".

"Nope, thanks, have a good day!" - hung up.

When asked "What's your current salary?"
Always tell them your expected new salary 😉

FYI, you get paid an average of 100k/year working for a business as a dev in switzerland. In india, you'll be looking at an average salary of 5-7k.

Which is less than what you earn in a month in switzerland.

We are so spoiled.

!rant

Today is one of many days fellas! Today my coworkers and I will fight again for more salary! Our company is making millions and billions of euros and we won't be gifted for our work!

I hope in your countries you have the same rights to fight for your money. If so, do it!

Sorry for no Dev realated post's!

TL;DR I have me no money

Oh boy, my fellow devRanters, I just signed an 4 digit monthly salary (that's a lot in Lithuania) job contract, I'm a future Unix infrastructure engineer :o

As per original concept of ranting, it's been almost two months since I wrote for the stickers and didn't get a reply >:(

SALARY: $80k to $100k

TRANSLATION: $80k

I love it when companies expect you to care about their vision and act like the work is 100x more important than it is.

Oh yes and of course no overtime pay or decent salary that'd be too much!

😒😫🤯

If we had a swear jar at work, I'd get a negative salary

8 hours a day too much for you??!!

My first company has "9.5 planned hours" daily

If the average is found less than the PLANNED HOURS / WEEK, the salary is DEDUCTED accordingly.

"Open Source is life", he tweets.

Gets a job offer from Microsoft.

Starts salary negotiation without thinking twice. #irony

Can someone tell these fucking recruiters that 'competitive' isn't a salary range. Please?

I will NOT apply to your job if you do not give a salary range.

Was working in small startup with great people on new projects, but for very low salary and shitty conditions.

Changed job to big company with nice salary and great conditions, but people are assholes and have to work on legacy stuff mostly.

Guess you can't have everything.

-When they ask for your current/previous salary in a job interview, tell them that you don't find that relevant or that you don't want to tell. If they insist on you telling your salary, GTFO

- When they are overenthusiasticly telling about all the latest technologies they're using without staying one word about legacy projects, GTFO. It's a trap.

- If you walk trough the developer room(s) and everybody is extremely focused and just programming like a zombie, GTFO.

- If they cannot tell you one single downside of the company, it's probably too good to be true.

That's about everything I can think of at the moment

I met with the CTO of a local tech company today for a beer, at the recommendation of a friend who currently works at the company. They're looking for Software Engineers and wanted to see if I'd be a good fit.

I'm not actively looking to leave my current job, as I love it there. I was just curious to see what other opportunities were out there.

After the beer, he pretty much offered me the job on the spot for $30,000 to $40,000 more than my current salary, along with benefits. When I asked if there was any sort of technical interview, he said that this meeting was actually the technical interview, and that by the time he had finished his first beer, he could already tell that I would be a good fit. He wants me to meet with his Lead Architect and CEO soon just to see if we all click and then we'll go from there.

The only problem is that I really love my current company. I love the work, the atmosphere, the autonomy, and my coworkers. But an extra $30k to $40k per year is a lot of money.

If everything works out and they give me an official written offer, I'm going to see if my current job will counteroffer. I know my boss would happily counteroffer if he's given authorization from the higher-ups, it's just a matter of exactly how much they're able to counteroffer.

Congratulations on a great year of continuous stress and being successful. As a reward here's a 50 bucks increase to your salary.

Yeah... great.. fuck you!

Problem was resolved, time to get our salary 💴💵💶💷

Boss told me he couldn't raise my salary, since according to him, I was already overpaid. Months later they suddenly outsource some positions, including mine. I got 6 months with payment as a parachute. But I also got a new job that pays $15 000 more each year...!

It's nice to have double salary for 6 months...

:)

Having a call with recruiter (Netherlands) in English:

* he’s late 10mins
- ...
- Now I will ask you some questions, please answer shortly as possible, so it will be easier for me
- Okay
...
- what salary would you like to get in your new job?
- I am thinking about 3000eur
- you mean before taxes?
- no, I mean netto, I want to get that amount already after taxes.
- wow! That’s quite a lot
- well, average in the Netherlands
- definitely no. Where have you learnt that?
- just google
- I don’t believe you, for your age, with that experience for mid-level full- stack php developer - that can’t be true, especially if you don’t speak dutch...
...
- describe yourself in 3 words
- ...confident
- oh, I can see that you’re confident, because of how much salary you want
...
- so you are looking for a new job?
- *in my mind: no motherfucker, I am just having this conversation for no fucking reason...* yes
- ...
- so company I am working with, they working with very complex systems and there’s no much developers that fit their requirements - literally reads everything from job posting - you need to know php, symfony, laravel, have a good agile understanding, be able to work with complex systems...
...

Just to make it clear: I am 22, have 4 years exp, and working with php, javascript, symfony, laravel, reactjs... 36k/y seems ok to me. So either I am wrong and should leave Netherlands, because I can get same amount in my home country and also pay less for rent or this motherfucker is just super dumb.

If they immediately agreed to your salary expectations, either your expectations were low or their expectations were high (or both).

I was about to ask my manager to roll me out off the project in my company.. it has been 4 years .... Yesterday he came and told me he is going to give me an big fat Raise !

That feeling when you finally get confirmation that you got the position you've been waiting for at work, AND get a higher salary than you actually asked for. By quite a lot.

I accidentally broke our office’s tablet device. Operations manager said it will be deducted from my salary next month.
Few weeks later, my operations manager breaks his laptops touch screen. I almost did a naked run in excitement.

*Receives salary*
*Checks that there are no running instances in AWS*

This happened in my first internship I was working for a small company. They had a knack of redefining policies at short notices.

The had this shitty time tracking site which was hosted internally.

We were working on client location for 25/30 days so we didn't have access to the time tracking site. And there comes a memo that everybody has to fill the time tracking or their salary will not be credited.

So when we reach office we hear this "News". We thought they would consider people on client location. But then on salary day we don't get any and are called into VP's office for a verbal lashing. We literally had to fight for two weeks for the salary.

Worst Experience Ever

so, I hate my job, they give me many tasks (many of tasks are not on my field) with no trainings and no time, plus a salary that is not that good.

I get angry, so I talked with the boss about leaving yhe company.
Well, our discussion ended up by convincing me to stay with the double of the salary.

So, I accepted the offer.
Don't know whether it's the right decision or not..

Resumes don't mean jack shit!!

I just got off an interview call with a candidate for a hardware role. On paper this guy is absolute gold, having worked for some of the best robotics companies and research groups(in India at least) It took me an hour to realize that the was just spitting out buzz words. So I started asking him some very fundamental questions, like ohms law and such.. high school stuff. But, phrased in real world terms. And it took me another half an hour to realize that the guy is dumber than a sack of peanuts!

I can't believe how easy it is for people to coast by on paths paved by seniors and teammates. By any objective assessment this guy would be lucky to get a job as an electrician and instead I'm wasting my time interviewing him for a six figure salary (well, the Indian equivalent). Gaaah!!

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Finally have a full time job lined up for when I graduate in a month!
</div>

Job title: "Junior Application Developer"

Rest of job description: "4 years experience...Career level: Experienced hire/Professional"

Meaning: "Looking for a senior level programmer willing to work for a junior salary."

I hate job hunting.

Sometimes dirty code is more efficient than clean code.

If features get dropped frequently and requirements change every few days, writing best-practices, tested code is wasted time. Learned that in my first job where I thought the other devs were all bad. Until I realized their bad code pays my salary, and my clean code takes more time to develop.

The sad reality for devs :/

What would you do?

2 job offers...

Job #1 a big sports betting company as a junior software developer with a salary of 22k plus a yearly bonus of 10%

Also uncapped holidays

Or

Job #2
A small IT company with 2 other developers with a salary of 19.5k working on multiple projects and being instantly promoted to mid level developer, also a signing bonus after 3 months of a high end surface laptop.

My previous CTO and I had a one-on-one session at the end of his first month. He wanted to have these to ensure everything was going smoothly. We never had another one after this.

Anyway, I'm a very open and honest person, so during this session, I told him some information in confidence. I told him I was looking for another career in an industry I cared more about. This seemed to set off a red flag for him. Originally, he had said this conversation would have stayed between the two of us. To my surprise, the following week, the CEO calls me in for a meeting and offers me a raise in hopes it would make me stick around longer.

I want to clarify that I am very grateful for the increased salary, but also slightly disturbed by the lack of trust. I'm sure someone else who knows they would be leaving the company soon might feel pressured by this situation.

I accepted the raise and met with the founders of my new company that same afternoon to sign a contract. Obviously, my red flag was justified.

Even when you might want to work for a non-profit, don't sell yourself too short. Dear developers, I ask you kindly to never accept these kind of salaries.

That entire range is an insult. Esp. with the dev stack in mind.

*senior designer*

Last year I had a meeting with the newly hired Senior Graphics Designer.

She was presenting the new design of the company's website with all the features she wants.

After a few minutes, I asked her, did you design it as a responsive website?

"What is that?" She said. I said that the website should display or have atleast a design for mobile view and desktop view.

And she replied, "is that a requirement?"

Talks to myself: how the hell we hire designers like this?

PS, she earns 4x my salary

this is an average salary ***Per Year*** of an ultra advanced experienced software engineer who lives in serbia, europe. the sad part is not that this is per year, the sad part is that this is so much money in this country that if you have this salary *Per Year*, you're one of the richest men in the block.

another sad part is, these $15,000 american US dollars are equivalent to 1.5 Million in our currency.

so basically people are so satisfied with this salary because they are basically "millionaires".

now tell me again, how bad is your salary?

Boss says everyone praises my work and efforts, except when nearing salary discussions then I suck and have a lot of unstable issues apparently.
I really struggle to give a polite f... When praised.
Wanna praise me? Pay me!

job posts in Algeria:
we need a full stack developer, with 5+ years experience.
we have a great salary ($400/month) 😂

A competitor of ours is offering a junior dev role. The base/starting salary is equivalent to mine 😖

Got the ideal job right now. Over market salary. 100% remote. Mornings to myself until the rest of the team in another time zone comes online. Working within my competency with just enough challenge to make it interesting. Free products for being an employee. Only wish it came with paid health insurance but I do get a partial reimbursement.

I live in zurich switzerland one of the most expensive places to live. And i work as a jack of all trades graphic ux/ui designer/copy writer/marketeer in IT security.
I earn about $3800 a month, but every salery calculator says I should earn above $7000. With a median salery of $9300. But this seems so much money and I suffer from low self esteem. So what should I do? (Quitting is not an option because I like it there)

One thing I've noticed about devRant is the ratio of web dev/mobile dev posts to database/architecture/big data dev posts. There's A LOT of you web peeps out there, and not enough data dudes, which I guess justifies my constant demand, salary and lack of competition. Just an observation.

public function recruiters($salary)
{
if($salary == "competitive")
{
return NaN;
} else
{
return "What is the real salary?";
}
}

Competitive pay

This has happened to me.
When startups post job they write competitive pay in thier posting.

Then later after interview they off er you $20/Hr.! And thier excuse we are a start up so can't offer much.

Then why the hell did you just throw that word of competitive pay in job description. Just because Amazon and other companies have that in thier posting.??

Don't you feel that competitive pay is a misused term. Almost all job posting have this. I don't get it. What is the competing with ?? MC Donald's ?

P.S. I have 2 yrs experience and worked with a startup and a full time job. And I am not arrogant about it. But when you ask me to do something I am good at I demand a good price. I respect my work.

There is no other way to put this.

My HR manager just sent out her tax declaration sheet containing all her salary details out to the entire company via email.

The worst part, she makes as much as I do yet fails at the one single job she's supposed to do.

I just dropped my office laptop !
😨😨😨😨
There is a crack on the corner of the body but the device is Ok !
I am worried they will charge me the whole cost of the laptop ( i.e. 3 months worth salary )

Joined my current company as a Frontend Engineer 2 years back. They recently got funded and started hiring with a higher salary range. Not to brag but I'm pretty good at my job with 6yr of experience but my current salary makes me a lower mid-level engineer now and I'm the only frontend guy here.

So, now they're asking me to take interviews of the applicants who are applying for the senior position.

Why do people have to be such an assholes to the employees, man?

I love February.

Less days to work and you also get your salary early :)

The dilemma of having a job that I love but a salary that just breaks even with living expenses and student loans.

Got 2 job offers, confused which to choose.
1- old tech high salary
2- new tech a bit low salary

Today, I had an interview with a development company that they request all developers to wear suits for work! From 10 to 7 o'clock, and no stable income salary, they work based on projects LOL!

For me, the bad part of being a dev? it is the pay.

I know many folks here says the pay is good. But in Maldives, The pay for devs are so so so damn damn terrible. Even freelance.

Average pay per month for devs : ~700 usd

:(

Fuck man.. very disappointed now.. 3 months ago i was told not to worry about funding and salary and all, now fucking still waiting for half salary.. fuck startup like this

For the second month in a row we’re getting paid late..
They practically skipped a salary..
Mannaggialaputtanatroia.

When the designer who can't code anything is on double your salary...

Dear headhunters, you should start your initial job proposal messages with

"How much is your net salary and what benefits you're currently getting"

Then end it with

"We can make more happen."

Then let's talk

The job I am interning at wants to hire me. Yay.
But they want to start me at basic programmer salary, which makes me feel really sad about doing another 1.5 years of specialisation education.
Just to get hired at the salary of what I could have started at 1.5 years ago.

They even keep talking about how competent I am, and how easy it has been implementing me.
I studied to specialise so it would be easy.
Fucking pay the convenience fee.

What a sad and frustrating day!
I got a call from recruiter. I told him that I'm not actively looking for change. But he requested for 2 mins to listen. He started telling about his company, how great it is, tech stack, perks, salary etc. He is telling everything but not company name, I waited patiently and asked what's the pay I can expect. The number blew my mind, it's nearly double to my current pay. Then...

Me: that sounds amazing, which company is this, and where is it?
Him: it is <my company name> and located at <my current location, same campus>
Me: .....
Him: so, what do you think?
Me: .... I need some time. Let me update my LinkedIn profile first and then, i will get back to you.
Him: sounds wonderful, will call back by Monday. <Call disconnected>
Me: <inside my head> @$_-$#(/+&_#

This in my 10th year in this company, some one kill me please.

I've figured out the problem with my life. It isn't my job, or my wife, I am just really really bored with life and live a totally unfulfilling life and don't have the money or credit to live the life I want.

So I want to switch jobs to increase my income to travel the world, because that is the only thing I have come to find out I like to do.

Either that or just find some brain altering substance to where I don't even feel like I exist anymore.

Just finished a project that was estimated to be 8 weeks long with 2 devs. I was given the project 2 weeks ago with no one else to work with. It's going to a few hundred thousand users tomorrow.

Still underpaid and stressing over rent.

Definitely still not getting that salary adjustment...

Fuck this shit. 😐

We should pay (CS) teachers more.

Got a great new job, great athmosphere here, great salary and exciting projects :) looking forward to the future here!

Six chars

Attention Software Engineers!

Quit shooting yourselves in the fucking foot! And this ESPECIALLY goes to new grads. I get that you have just finished school. I get that you need a job! But don't fucking settle for a $30-$40k salary because you're "entry level"! The only reason why there are employers who offer that type of salary is because they know that there are enough idiots who will settle for it!

On average, an entry level software engineer's salary is between $50-$60k at the very least! For Senior developers, it is at least $80K/year (although an argument can be made for why they shouldn't settle for less than $100k/year).

Each time a moron low balls his/her salary, that brings down the market value for that talent. And keep this in mind! They don't have a choice but to hire you. They could choose to outsource their work to poorer countries but they don't want to do that due to obvious quality-related reasons so they HAVE TO hire you if they need the work done. And since the ball is in YOUR COURT, demand your fair salary. You went to school for 4 fucking years. You dealt with that stress for 4 fucking years. Why settle for a salary that you could've made without going to school?

That moment you receive your salary but decide to hold off paying your dues for a few hours just to take a break from being poor 🙄

Currently being paid full consultant salary to watch printer software install itself. This is exactly what I hoped to do when I started my company.. At least the money is good.

Hooo boy the difference between working in fastfood and working in webdev. 2 week salary is not the same ! 💵💵💵

😂😂😂

Do you agree? Yes/No? Why?

Just saw an ad on LinkedIn.

First line: looking for JavaScript developers of all levels

A bit further down...

Requirements: 4+ years of JavaScript experience plus whole front-end stuff

The fuck is wrong with people?

At least the salary is not crap.

!rant
Going to negotiate my starting salary as a Junior Engineer/Consultant in 30 minutes.
Wish me luck!

I started working for a company something around 1-2 months ago, they said because I don't have any experience with their stack, my salary will be lower than other team members. I said there is no problem and started my work. My first task was refactoring codes that their experienced programmers have wrote. My second task was extracting data layer from views. (They use Laravel and MVC architecture and they get data directly in views, not controllers). So, by end of the month when I talked with my boss I said I should get more money because I was better than your experienced programmers. He refused my request so I said I will not work with your team anymore :)
Anyway, never accept a job if you know you deserve more money than what they say will give you.

P.S: Sorry for my bad English. English is not my native language

I think i made a costly fuckup!

Last month i was called into the cabin of main boss and i believe he reviewed my work and gave me a slight increment in salary.

Only today that i noticed about missing increment in my last month's salary i received last week.

Only thing I'm sure is that i remember feeling happy that day and telling about my increment to my coworkers. They don't remember about it now.

I have no proof if i actually received increment or if i am just hallucinating..

What to do? 😕

What else can be asked in Ruby on Rails interview? 😏
Whats your salary as a rails dev? 😏

First week is over at my first job in Web development. Really happy about the salary and the company, can't wait to Monday! 😁 though I don't have much time to my private projects, that sucks.

Recruiter: I might have the perfect role for you that will match your salary expectations, they want to send you a technical challenge using Java.
Me: Did you read my CV headline at all?
Recruiter: is Java and Javascript not the same?
Me: Thanks but no thanks.

Just went from full time employee at my work to contract under my own LLC on a retainer at my old salary. I'm my own man and it feels great. All the tax breaks shall be mine.

Anyone else develop distain for a recruiter when they ask for your current salary?

I kept telling my boss my salary wasn't good enough for the job I was doing, and for over a year, he kept telling me HR says I need to prove myself. I got admission to school to do a masters and all of a sudden, HR doubled my salary. FML.

Love development

Like the people I work with including the boss

Okay with the salary I guess

Fucking hate the customers

It's really sad how companies in UAE misusses the internship term, and make the poor interns do full time job with minimum or no salary.

Building an amazingly complex system from scratch in Rust means 2 things to me...

1. Really cool tech with great syntax to learn
2. My value as a developer will be going up a lot. In terms of the salary expectations

I really love when I get to learn a new technology, not for a project or course, but to build really cool real-world applications.

That’s what drives me!

Hey guys, I was wondering how much you're paid per month, how long have you been a dev and where you're from.
Personally, FR here paid 1500€ ($1700) +- for 3 years XP.

My december salary is delayed for a year (i’ll get paid around 2 or 3 january).

This broke af fireworks pic is how my new year looks like.

P.S Pic is stolen from facebook

I am a pretty well of dev with a nice job and a nice salary. Yet I still suffer from imposter syndrome. It's nice to get on here and read rants about shit I've also has issues with or just feel better about myself because I wasn't the one the person that rant was about. Cheers to you devrant

On Skype.
[tldr: #muhPrivacy;]

You know, people hiring via Skype.
Gaming, seeing family or having long range relationships.

It's become a decent tool.

Then there is the Skype employee.
Opening a court case because in his work time, evaluating Skype calls - ON FUCKING OBSERVING SKYPING PEOPLE - he has to look at too much flesh (as in porn) for his salary level.
Like : the payment category states that you gotta be classed like 1,2 salary categories higher for such work.

So the first instance did not recognise the employees case, because they said its a state thing, or even higher.
Later instance evaluated the employee was right and decreed Microsoft / the NSA (whomever direct employees they are) to properly categorize their employees.
Therefore cost relatively exploded and an algorithm to detect nudity was built.
Wich is operational way earlier than Skypes TOS renewal mid 2018.
That also bans bad language and auto bans given accounts.

Talking about social credit..
in PROC (or prod, as they're known).
And btw: complaining about Google while posting Christmas gatherings on Instagram.. You get what I mean.

Honestly, I don't recall the sources. It's been a while.

I'd really appreciate a little compendium of this for historical reasons.

They will ask: what has brought us here? What is everyone an ultimate right/left/center/agnostic/religious fascist?

And we'll have it on paper. Or papyrus,.. even stone. As I don't know how far mighty people will go for their fortune.

When the Internet starts to slow down near lunch and your music starts to buffer.
Cut my salary in half, but give me music.

Got internship opportunity. It's just an internship, but still it feels exciting and surreal for me. It feels weird because there is not really anything exciting about salary.

I guess it's the "my first job opportunity" butterfly.

I got placed with decent salary in core Product based company. Happiness is at its peak 😄😆 .
#campusPlacement

Extract from a quite old recruiter email (excluding the formalities):

Position: junior dev
Workplace: office for first year, can be changed to remote after (salary will be 50% lower if you go remote though) *suspicion levels starts raising*
Payment: 1€ per line of code (empty lines/comments excluded) or page of documentation *alarms start ringing*
Additional info: on high alert for 4 weeks every 6 weeks *wtf is going on*, salary bonus is 10€ per week *I stopped reading here and moved the email directly to the spam folder*

The first thing that matters to me for applying for a job is how their project that I am going to work on will improve me. I have refused a job position with a higher salary just because they want me as their only developers for their website and other things. Instead, I applied for another job with lower salary but now I am a backend developer of a team of 15 developers making a great product and I have learned many experiences.

Why is it soooo taboo to ask co-workers salary?

They wanna increase the tax of everything probably including the ball weight. Hey you got big ball, give 10% of your salary as tax. Fuck you government.

But you can't even provide a fucking proper electricity during day time.

Hi, what is the average salary of developers in your country.

For me : i'm junior UI/UX designer and front end developer in Paris, working for Parisian digital consulting agency 35hrs a week

Annual salary 30k €
Adding to this :
Daily meal ticket 8,8€
Insurance
50% of transport ticket's price is refunded
And many other stuffs and don't even remember.

Knowing that Paris is an expensive city.

How about you people ?

Figured I'd post for some advice here and see if anybody has had previous experience or success with a situation like this.

My team is generally comprised of full-stack developers completing front-end custom work on sites, writing back-end tools, and fixing broken sites. We are a rapid-response DEV team, and we typically turn around any custom requests in less than 5 days and fix any broken sites on the same day as they were reported. We manage almost 15,000 sites across multiple countries, and deal with very large corporations that many of you interact with every day (I'm trying to be cryptic here hahaha.) There are 16 of us on our team, and we are the only DEV team within our department of 500+ people. We are also the only DEV team taking requests from these 500+ people. The way the department works, we are the final say on whether a specific piece of custom work will get completed or not, and we are the go-to people when anybody has a question about our system infrastructure or if our system can accommodate a request, along with how to fix any broken pieces of our platform. We typically get about 150 requests per day. Lately, the entire team has become unhappy with our compensation for the work we do. We're quite underpaid, and they keep giving us more responsibilities without any sort of extra compensation. We've discovered that there are a large amount of non-developers below us that are getting paid more than we are. We've found that we get paid about $15,000 less than a comparable DEV team in a different department (let's call that team DEV_2,) just because of which department our team exists within, and how our department defined our job back when this position was created a few years ago. Ever since the position was created, our team's responsibilities have exponentially increased. We believe that there is absolutely no reason that an entry-level position below us should get paid just as much, or even more in some cases, than a developer. Of course, we're not asking to pay them less. Instead, we've decided that we're going to bring this up with our manager and schedule a meeting with him, our Department Director, and Human Resources, and voice that we believe that we should be on the same payscale as the comparable DEV_2 in the other department.

To be a good developer on our team, you need to not only have coding expertise, but also an encyclopedic knowledge of what you can do within our platform without any coding. You need this knowledge so you can pass it along to any people in positions below you, in case they didn't know that something could be done without custom code.

We're going to argue that if it weren't for our team, the company would be losing millions of dollars in clients, because people wouldn't have anybody to go to for platform infrastructure questions, broken websites, or custom work. Instead, they would need to send these requests to the DEV_2 team, which currently take about 6 months to turnaround requests. Like I said, we are a rapid-response DEV team, and these particular clients think that a 5 day turnaround time is ridiculous. If they had to wait 6 months for their request to be completed, they would cancel their contracts.

Not to mention the general loss of knowledge if the members of our team went to a different department, which would be catastrophic for our current department. Believe me, this department could not function without this DEV team. If we all went on vacation for a week, the place would be on fire by the time we got back, and many clients would be lost.

Do any of you have any experience with a situation like this, and if so, how did it turn out? Thank you!

A great corporate culture, pleasant coworkers, a caring manager, meaningful work, and a good salary. Hmmm. Thank you for reminding me that I have a pretty close to ideal Dev job. I can live with what's missing. 🤠

It bothers me when potential employers *require* a salary expectation in your application. It's like they're focusing on the wrong parts. I don't even consider places that do that, no matter how cool the job sounds. Remember kids, in negotiations, the first one to mention a number loses.

Yesterday, I asked for a double raise of my salary from mine p.manager.

I told him that I had an offer from another company with double salary.So we discussed the possibilities to have a good raise without changing company. He told me that can't be sure for my salary plan, but he will try to do the best.

I am still working in same company with same salary.

Who was bluffing better? 😑

The 19th day each month is the German unofficial "tax payer day". Because we start working for our own salary, not for taxes...

The moment u find out your senior pay is just $50 more than yours.

This. asdfghjkl

For you mobile devs out there, what is your salary at? And how many years of experience?

Companies that expect interns to work for free since they are learning at the job. sincerely fuck off!

I am torn apart for several months now. My boss and coworkers are amazing people, projects are quite fun and interesting, workplace is close to home and they pay for my exams (step by step reaching for MCSD certification), but...
The salary if fcking low (you could probably earn same ammount while working as a waitress of normal restaurant). Not only for me of course, but still :( Now I am thinking of running to some bank and doing boring programming job coding same tasks again and again, but getting payed very well

Recruiter Expecation:

Must have all the experience of a senior developer, but be content with the salary of a junior.

some friend asked me today:
is it ok to lie to boss and say that I had a new job offer.. just to negotiate on the salary?

Me: post question on devrant

Meanwhile the average salary for a teacher in Puerto Rico is 26k-31k

I lived to see this ... I asked for a salary and the recruiter doubled it . I remained speechless . I didn't bother to ask why i just accepted it ...

You want me to work in-loco, even thought my job can be done remotely? That's fine.

Your company's offices are located in a expensive district of a expensive European capital? That's fine too.

You want to pay me a salary so low, that I can only afford to live 2 hours away from work? Fuck That!!!

If your company is in a expensive location, either offer me a high salary or stop bothering me with bad job offers.

Advertise junior level salary then proceed to reject you since they're *looking for someone more senior*
🙄

Best: My projects are working, I could get a great salary
Worst: I'm working for a school project and I have no time.

Worst experience with managers.

Joined new company.

My work experience, knowledge and everything else was upto the mark(exceeded at some places) with their requirements. I was handling full technology stack for previous company.

But while negotiating he declined me salary I asked for because previous company was small (startup with no big name, it shut down after few years) also previous company payscale was low so they offered me increment based on that payscale( which was low compared to salary they offer for same experienced person).

He also hired one more guy who was from big company with same experience, but he got more salary than me. Later I came to know that he knows little compared to me and most of the time manager asked him to take help from me for coding.

Now at the time of increment he is offering me increment with which my salary is still less that the other guy.

I think its time to leave.

1. Get more fluent with c#
2. Move together with my girlfriend
3. Get my band started after a 2 year break
4. Increase my salary
5. Decrease my worked hours (I have to many thinks I really enjoy doing)
6. Finally ban JQuery from my workspace for all time

We get paid higher because programming is hard! Shut up normies! You won't understand it.

My ambition is to develop my own game and publish it, then get a better paying job and to rise above my lazy ass nihilistic order-following coworkers.

-Applying for internship
-the "previous work/employee records" field is their
-can't leave it blank
-so did this "------" for its various fields of work position, start date of job, and date of job, salary, etc.
-warning says "can't leave that field empty"
HOW THE FUCK ONE APPLIES TO AN INTERNSHIP WITH WORK EXPERIENCE WHEN THERE IS NONE ?

Why don’t you like sharing your salary with coworkers? I tell people exactly what I am paid if the conversation comes up. It helps to know where you stand, i.e. if you’re being under paid or if you should ask for more in the next review cycle.

So I was lurking around stack overflow and this comes up.
It's very interesting and stuff but seems a bit unfair. They're literally the same position

TLDR;
How much do you earn for your skill set in your country vs your cost of living?
BONUS;
See how much I & others earn.

Recently I became aware of just how massive the gap in developers earnings are between countries. I'd love to calculate a fixed score for income vs cost of living.

I know this stuff is sensitive to some so if you prefer just post your score (avg income p/m after tax / cost of living).

I'm not shy so I'll go first:

MY RATES
Normal Rate (Long term): $23
Consulting / Short term: $30-$74
Pen Test: $1500 once off.
Pen Test Fixes: consulting rate.
Simple work/websites: min $400+
Family & Friends: Dev friends are usually free (when mutually beneficial). Family and others can fuck off, even if they can pay (I pass their info to dev friends with fair warning).

GENERAL INFO
Experience: 9 years
Country: South Africa
Developer rareness in country: Very Rare (+-90 job openings per job seeker).
Middle class wage in country: $1550 p/m (can afford a new car, decent apartment & some luxuries like beer/eating out).
Employment type: Permanent though I can and do freelance occasionally.
Client Locality: Mostly local.
Developer Type: Web Developer (True web dev - I do anything web related from custom HTTP servers to sockets, services, advanced browser api's, apps & more).

STACKS / SKILLSETS

I'M PROFICIENT IN:
python, JavaScript, ASP classic, bash, php, html, css, sql, msql, elastic search, REST, SOAP, DOM, IIS, apache

I DABBLE WITH:
ASP.net, C++, ruby, GO, nginx, tesseract

MY SPECIALTIES:
application architecture, automation, integrations, db's, real time data, advanced browser apps/extensions (webRTC, canvas etc).

SUMMARY
Avg income p/m after tax: $2250
Cost of living (car+rent+food): $1200
Score: 1.85

*Note: For integrity when calculating my cost of living I excluded debt repayments and only kept my necessities which are transport, food & shelter.

I really hope you guy's post your results, it would be great to get an idea of which is really the worst / best country to be a developer in.

Heard its a norm from my ex-classname that its a norm be paid with equity instead of a fixed salary. whats ur take on this? please share. I for one cant imagine how i am suppose to survive without money.

When you hate ur job so bad and secretly apply to a new one, do two interviews, then reduce 400$ from what u said ur expected salary was because youd rather die then use wordpress one more time.

Would you leave a job that is kind of fun and not that tiring if you feel underpaid?

That moment when your company switches developers from salary to hourly to avoid paying anyone more and skirts the new federal requirements.

Frustrated... had a signed job offer disappear right before start date after jumping through a ton of hoops, turning down a competing offer, and wasting 3 days of PTO on their process, so back to interviews again.

How do you all determine what salary to ask/look for? Current job has pretty concrete pay bands that I'm pretty sure aren't market, but most of the site (glassdoor, etc) are all OVER the place, as titles can get so fuzzy from one place to another. From people I know I've heard everything from 20k less than I make to 70k more than I make (moderately high COL area, but not CA level). Levels.io seemed promising, but the one FANG offer I had didn't nearly match up with there, so I'm not sure how much of that is bluster or whatever... Blegh. I absolutely hate job hunting.

I currently have my dream job as a web developer, with a little above average salary, good colleagues and an understanding boss.

Today I had a recruiter contact me with a job opportunity (Senior developer) that would easily net me 1.5 times more salary, and a lot of other advantages.

It almost hurts to say no.

Here in singapore, we developers are super under-appreciated, pm always get the credit. and our salary are never decent. is this a global thing or just us? please share

when you are looking for php devs to join you on your startup and they don't understand the meaning of being a founder and expect a salary from the start 😭 you join early to get the long term benefits. a startup job isn't an immediate payday. ugh.

I will never work in an open floor plan environment again.

The average salary is 6 figures and they can't even spring for sound deadening material on the concrete walls, nevermind cubicles.

Nothing says "I don't value your contribution to our product" quite like treating your engineers like cattle.

do all the IT Companies want to hire us as senior devs & pay as junior? Or it is just my country?

Just got my salary, trying not to spend all of it on my computer🤒

It seems that this salary is getting harder and harder to earn.

Me at the end of the month waiting fo the salary..

Creating a popular SaaS while it itself being easily maintainable and generates an average monthly salary 😁

Santa... Please can I haz?

#Graduation feom college
#getting full time employement
#getting salary
#getting a girlfriend😅

!rant

TLDR; time to look for alternatives

Had a negotiation appointment with our CTO recently, due to the fact that I am going to finish my apprenticeship by the current year. As I heard from colleagues that the average pay for a finished apprentice isn't really the best, I wanted to try myself at bargaining it a bit higher.. So we went into the meeting and I brought up my argument, bossman just shrugs it off as laughable and that he can do it 100x better, so why should I define my pay on that.. The appointment was just very uncomfortable after that, no appreciation of my efforts at all. Not like I already work like a normal employee just with a quarter of the pay 😑

I've just came to the end of my probation in a new role... Been told I've passed it already... But just raised an interesting typo in my original offer letter....

Instead of saying a
"pay increase up to £#####"
it says a
"pay rise OF £#####"
Upon completing your probation

So in half a mind to ask when I'll see my salary more than doubled like the offer letter says!

Sometimes I think I should give half of my salary to Google and stack overflow.

Boss is always supporting me and helps me to get promotions and better salary. Has true leadership through servitude attitude. He knows that everybody he helps will gladly help him even without him asking for help.

I kept asking my manager for a salary rise for about the last 2 months and he didn't do anything about it so I searched for a new job and I found it! I noticed my manager that I am going to leave, he promised that starting from next month he will increase my salary... Aaaand he didn't...
So I decided to increase my own salary by reducing the working hours lol.

When your favorite app is wasting 100% of the screen you spent your whole salary for.

Average salary for developers these days: 700$/month + 10% of the company once said developer creates the new Facebook.

What is an average/fair entry level salary(US) for a developer?

I asked for increasing my salary, she said they can allow me for overtime for getting more money like increasing my salary (They asks overtime everyday btw)

The senior developer on my team is leaving, and I'm dreading what's coming down the pipe. Basically everything he's responsible for now will land on me when he's gone. I guess now would be the time to reevaluate my salary.

So apparently there was a HUGE data leak in my country and everything from a person's name, gender, Identification number, to estimated salary is out there in the wild, ready to be used by anyone who wants someone else's identity.

Why do German companies hate paying interns decent wages?

I just had an interview for an internship at a decently funded startup, and they proposed MINIMUM WAGE as a salary. Acted like it was the most normal thing in the world, too.
I do have a Bachelor’s degree in Software Engineering and some actual working experience as a developer, yet they suggested they’d pay me even less than that if they were legally allowed to. Is that their way of saying they don’t want me after all? They did invite me to a second interview.
I get that interns generally aren’t as productive as senior devs who spend years on a certain project, but minimum wage? Fuck that!

Luckily, they’re just the first company I talked to, but I do feel a little offended.

My Technical lead always asks one question to new interviewing candidates. "Write a SQL query to find the second highest salary from employee salary table". It's the same question which he faced in one interview and he didn't have answered it.
Sorry for my bad English..

I was talking with my mom on messenger and right after the moment I told her to stop believing in advertisement and not clicking on everything on the net... I saw a job ad on Instagram

"*cool company from my home country* front end developer for 3000 - 5000euro/month based on experience"
(which is a pretty good salary there, the avg is around 900euro/month)

me: *clicks*

1- hope that Madagascar will be listed in Google Play when I try to register as a developer... 😭
2- upload many applications on Play Store 😍
3- working as an android developer with an average salary of $50,000 per year, not my actual shitty salary of $4,500 per year... 😒
4- Earn the Associate Android Developer Certification 😎 🙌

Damn, I'm fucking tired of this country...
"Want affordable electronics?
Well you can go uck your self"

Imagine paying 200 for a pi zero... And from a world wide reseller they don't ship here...
Want a notebook? How about getting 2 months worth of your full salary to pay for a medium one? Pretty good huh?

Globalization my ass.

Got a job offer but the salary is slightly lower than expectation. I ask for a raise of a $50 the guy refused, fuck then try other candidate.

TFW your boss likes you enough to set up a full-time offer for you. 😗

TFW the offer is $20K below the average salary. 😬

It saddens me to see there are developers who are driven by high pay over interest and passion for programming.

Why is everyone addicted to monthly salary these days? No one seems interested in how money is actually made and managed (e.g. by the company they work for).
It's as if people just don't want to be rich.

programmers agreement
if(employee[work] == satisfied)
return salary++;
else
return fired;

Who needs sound technical knowledge to get a good job. Study economics and biology and chemistry and physics and you will get a 6 figure salary job. (Being sarcastic :3)

What's common between developers salary and Arrays... !?
Both of them Don't grow !!
😂😂

The new firebase reduced my Web developers salary.

Awesome products to build
Good Salary
Flexible Timings
Work from home
New technologies to work with
Paid holidays

Fun fact. I work for a 20-year old company that does software which mostly does print outputs. 95% of our clients actually use it specifically and exclusively to print their invoice runs. There are over 25 printers in this office, 5 of which are within chair-rolling distance of my desk.

I don't know how to use or fix any of them. I must be a *really bad* developer. >.<

Let's do a simple research here. What is the average fresh graduate salary as a programmer in your country.
In Hong Kong, it is around 2000USD