Sometimes I wished there was no internet, computers etcetera and that the world would go back to the basics. When people from a village knew each other and married a girl from your village and lived in a wooden hut in the mud.

This all can be so much better than how life is at the moment. People ignoring eachother, fighting wars by killing thousands without actually fighting.

And yes I know some of us wouldnt survive it, Im not sure I would with my chronic kneepain. I cannot hunt because of it. I could be a builder or farmer maybe?

@Floydian good afternoon sir,
This rant started out as a comment on your "Money doesnt buy happiness"rant

While I'd enjoy the simplicity I'm not sure I'd enjoy dying from parasitic worms or being in agony from rotting teeth. So, yes, happy to live in log cabin with access to sanitation and state of the art medical care. Therein lies my dilemma.

@platypus back then there was also hygiene, and in some ways better then now. Now everything needs to be bacteria free which makes people sick, especially new borns.

@1989
And yeah I couldnt speak to him but if something doesnt exist can you miss it? (besides a girlfriend/boyfriend)
Because for me India wouldnt exist and for him the netherlands wouldnt exist.

If your knees stop you being a hunter then you probably wouldn't be able to be a builder or a farmer either. Maybe a carpenter or a clothes maker though.

@OutOfRange I cant walk on uneven terrain without dying, but i can sit in muddy ground and make more mud to build with. Carpenter is also an option.

@Codex404 making mud isn't all there is to building 😁. What happens when the mud wall gets so high you need to stand up and then when you need to put a roof on? And you probably wouldn't be building your house next to a load of mud so you would need to walk to get it and other materials.

@Codex404 I am not sure how village looks in the Netherlands (I know only that agriculture is advanced) but I spend like 19 years at farm in Poland and I could guarantee you that you don't think want to come back to time before electronics. Why? There is far more deaths from war, crimes and also if you report some harassment you could suffer from social isolation (more powerful than today). Probably you would marry someone who you don't love and can't left that person because it is unacceptable. Also have a lot of siblings, some dead and a lot of them will suffer from hunger. Even if you aren't hungry you will eat bread with mold, mold everywhere - especially in your lungs oh and you don't harvest that much of grains.

I know how much effort it costs nowdays to obtain a lot of harvests and how dirty this shit is. My legs was black after day in grains. After cleaning silo with mask it was black, once I do it without mask and got almost 40 celcius fever.

Yesterday someone try to burn old furniture close to farms and almost burn whole village's farm if not village itself. Also when you have argue with your mates you will suffer from isolation for very long and it hurts more than nowdays.

@Floydian Surviving of fittest isn't human law, you don't have to enforce it to apply. It's law of nature so it applies all time, but what means fittest isn't what you think. Fittest means survive long enough to reproduce and reproduce, that's all. You don't have to be good, evil, strong or weak, just have enough time to fuck someone and have some children - sadly that all.

About bacteria it is fucked up and long story. There are problems in hospitals, because they aren't bacteria free, but also problems because children lacks of optimal bacteria around them so they immune system can't train properly. But back in time was to much bacteria around us - so also a problem.

@Omnisus the farm problems you mention aredu e to scale and will never happen if you have a farm that supplies food for 14 people.
You mention big families, but back then 4 children was average. And you die at age 30.

You make comparisons with the current situation that cannot be compared. And yes life wasn't pretty then either but I do feel it was better than this.

I would like to go even before that time, like when there were no language or clothes (horny-ness 😂)
Basically, i want to be a dothraki 😉.

I got into woodworking and car stuff to get my mind off it stuff and slow things down a bit.

@Codex404 average isn't same as time when you die, they die older, just high mortality in the beginning of life.
If you think that you will be rich guy in that time, you probably won't. Problems with mold, natural disasters, lack of food etc. My dad told me as his dad told him how it was good year when they obtain x amount of grain from ha, when for today's standards it's fucking disaster and we told about 40-50 years top.

Social problems in small communities aren't related to scale of production, problems with storage and efficiency of production are related to technological progress at scaling up has other problems. Nowdays with awesome machines nature could fuck you in ass and back in time it would be much worse. It feels cool when you think about past and this beautiful time when people spoke to each other and work, but it wasn't. If you want to scale up efficiency you must fuck other people or you don't earn more

@Floydian Your welcome. I like to do hard work my own hands, it's so satisfying, but it is cool nowdays with this damn electronics which gives us this privleage to make clothes, paint, craft some shit, write software or involve in social live or travel. We have free time and a lot of possibilities to spend it how we want, but we need to know what we want to do and it's hard part. Back in day you don't have this much time and it was easier, but life will fuck you harder in other ways

Those times you would be guaranteed dead by 35 years max. The computers you talk about have done more good than harm. You could still go marry the girl in the village...come to Kenya you will get that.

@Omnisus why do you think I think I would be a rich guy? In my rant I mentioned my knee thus I cannot do all things that need to be done. Besides I dont think there was something as wealth in that time, there was no money.

@Codex404 money are pretty old so I don't know about what time you are talking about, but neverless you can be rich without money.

I assume that you will be wealthy man, because having farm that provide food for 14 could be perceived as really good (supporting two families at least) and as you go back in time its even more valuable and you have less free time. With your knees you would get even more troubles.

In XX century yield of wheat was around 1000 kg per ha. Grown man needs around 292 kg per year to cover energetic needs. Also we talk about modern wheat which is more energetic, but you can't eat only wheat. Pig needs at least 204 kg of wheat before will be ready for slaughter (still modern pig and wheat with some assumptions). Having 14 ha without modern machines would be fun

I somehow missed part about knees, but it doesn't change anything about live back in time and would make your live worse or short. My for sure due health history.

@Omnisus Im talking hunters and collectors era (stoneage?)

@Codex404 Ohhh... That far. Hunter-gatherer is before agriculture, but even at the begining of agriculture it's begining of revolution in human life. From fighting for food and fucking to fighting for food, fucking and little time for culture. With development of agriculture comes more free time to talk, draw, dance and sing even if you aren't farmer you could robe one to get food. But society isn't too specialize, you are usually herder, farmer, woodcutter and what your wife ask you for.

If you want simple, basic live this time is best for it. Work only as much as you need to survive at some level, find local community or create one. No one in your area is interested in planting wild plants from East Europe just use internet and you will find this people and you could meet once a while. Escaping in dreams about beautiful past which was truly cruel and violent doesn't change shit. You could find what you want in real world just put little effort

Yep and people starved because weather was unkind.

People got murdered， raped or lynched.

No hot water to shower.

No food to be ordered when you dont feel like coocking.

Lack of music diversity.

The old days were not golden days. They were hard as hell. You made 10 kids coz half wouldn't reach adulthood and if you didnt have extra hands to help you， you couldnt sustain your piece of land properly.

Now if we returned to basics today you d probably have to reduce the world population， whicch tbh im okay with.

But i doubt that our technology would be enough advanced to sustain a comfortable society.

Today allows for highly specialized people which allows technology and industrializtion to advance at a faster rate. Until we reach a certain level of expertize going back to basics would be a step back.

Then if you really wanted to you could go to auroville in india or join a community in alaska.

@Santaclauze as if that all doesnt happen these days?

@Codex404 ， i never said t didnt happen today. I said it was worse bedore， a lot worse.

Most first world countries are a lot safer than they have ever been.

Have a look at a documentary of the 1800s and earlier. See how fun it was to live then.

@Codex404 and please find me occurences of lynching. They happen mainly in africa india or middle eastern countries. But they are inexistant in europe or the us and if it did happen people would be in bug trouble.

And im not trying to say that one eay is better. Im just saying that things were not as awesome as one might think.

Goin back to simplicity will come with a whole bunch of other problems that are anything but fun.

@Santaclauze I wouldnt wish for something if I didnt know what Im talking about (thats why I dont wish for a gf, I dont understand them)

The era Im talking about also doesnt have that much evidence of lynches though. But the pressure for some things were just lower, no need to travel an hour to work, and an hour back. You will not be looked upon because you dont have asocial media or whatsapp.

@Codex404 ， yeah i do see your point as well. Well technically you can decide to do some of that by youraeld. I mean mist people i know who have reached the age of 60 have fucked of in warmer less stressful places. You just have to get a few $$$ before!