lol... turns out the people in Africa are enslaved because they have no access to organic normal seeds... they're given GMO seeds that obviously can't reproduce so that Monsanto can keep "selling" new seeds over and over again, that don't reproduce

we're gonna get to this level. the future the globalist desire

not just africa, but basically everywhere.

and not GMO, just instable F1-hybrids that don't transfer their beneficial properties to the next generation.

we've been there for a while already. and the problem isn't "globalists", but "capitalists". people who think it's okay to put patents on genetics, because their profits are the most important thing.

this is the case pretty much everywhere. Monsanto, and the capitalists who own it, have the world by the balls.

and the insane part is that thanks to the free market they didn't need to promise some kind of Faustian bargain for unimaginable power, just slightly better rice, and within like 2 generations everyone who didn't take the deal went out of business.

@tosensei wait til you find out who made the federal reserve

or what the federal reserve even is... I guess most people never looked into it. it's pretty crazy we use money and don't know how it works. if school should've taught us anything it should've been that

@tosensei also it is GMO. weren't you the dude shouting how GMO is good to eat and I'm nuts for mentioning it?

if "capitalists" would ruin seeds, how congruent is the idea that "capitalists" would GMO-engineer plants that would give you illnesses so they can sell you the cures, like these people sold these seeds? doesn't take much. lots of natural toxins in nature. just splice them in (I'm being facetious here, I don't think it happens through that route)

I see you guys upvoted each other but not me, who originally brought up the topic. sigh

@jestdotty Monsanto's strategy isn't secret and is completely legal although immoral. Suggesting that there is a secret highly illegal conspiracy involved with thousands of perpetrators and billions of victims is a huge leap, even if the incentives are there.

I definitely wouldn't bet that there isn't at least deliberate ignorance involved, because these things can absolutely happen, but there are many potential conspiracies that are either too risky for the conspirators or just simply don't happen for lack of initiative, so the handful that we know about are only evidence of the possibility, not the probability.

I'll rather say that you don't need GMO to make plants everso slightly carcinogenic, and due to all the scrutiny, it's probably not the best avenue anyway. Pesticide or fertilizer is a lot less regulated

@jestdotty to spell it out for you: it's not necessarily NOT gmos. but it's been happening exactly that way long before the first gene was modified. you get aforementioned F1 hybrids by simple breeding. i'd bet this was even happening long before we discovered genes in general.

@jestdotty also: money, in simple terms, is nothing but a promise. and it hasn't been anything else since the day mankind stamped a value onto a coin, instead of only considering the material value.

@jestdotty also: the topic you "originally brought up" isn't new at all.

do you expect upvotes for a rant saying "wet things are wet"? (just... imagine this being formulated in a tinfoil-hatty, braindamaged way, blaming lizard-people or something, so it sounds like something _you_ would say)

@lorentz agreed. where's the incentive in doing very expensive genetic experimentation to make stuff ever so slightly more toxic (not so much that people can trace it back to you) when there's still billions out there inhaling burnt plant matter, laden with heavy metals, day in day out.

i mean - it's _possible_ - but it's as inane as believing "The Elite" spray toxins via chemtrails, when it's so much more convenient to just put it into the water. or rather - around water. pastic bottles are not your friend.

or putting highly sophisticated, subliminal messages into whatever media people consume, when we're already being bombarded with tons of in-your-face advertisements all the time, and happily swallowing it all up because then all the content is "for free".

@lorentz what, how would billions make sense

rude hyperbole

I'm starting to not like you. started going down when I got excited when you said you had a female YouTuber who coded but it was not... that was very rude. and you have not redeemed yourself in attitude since then

@tosensei it's not that I need it spelled it out, it's that you wanna dunk on others when it doesn't even factually apply

I will say I think GMO is a positive thing. It increases yield, increases germ resistance and makes crops tastier.

That said, there have been some insane legal cases about patented crops.

Good thing ruined by capitalism.

@tosensei it was new to me and I only learned about it now due to seeing a guy talk about Burkina faso where such things were being used

if I don't know about it lots of other people also probably don't. we don't really pay attention to poor countries in the western world. I heard such things in passing by some Indian PhD woman but I didn't believe her because I didn't find her to be a credible source because at the time I was quite new to perspectives of people from other countries and had no way to corroborate what she was saying. so this was the first time it occurred to me that this actually happens and it was used in Burkina Faso to keep the people poor, like as an actual specific case, strategy, with all the drama that such would ensue, which made it feel real to me and I wanted to share that feeling

@tosensei you upvoted each other for saying wet things are wet!

I think it's entirety possible they'd engineer crops to create diseases then sell the cure. There was a car that was known to explode. They chose not to recall it and to pay the lawsuits instead. Same thing.

I think if the crop thing does happen it's more likely to be an accident than intentional. Like, CEOs are often psychopaths but scientists and engineers aren't.

The biggest illogical thing I have ever heard is thinking people with unimaginable wealth and power would never conspire behind closed doors to do things contrary to the well being of the masses.

The other illogical thing I have seen is that the US government (or any government) only did bad things in the past. Despite never being held accountable for the bad things they did and told the public about 20 years later.

Also, the idea that the AP doesn't lie is hilarious.

People seem to defend these institutions reflexively and it is both humorous and frightening.

@jestdotty Monsanto controls 25% of the seed and pesticide market. That means about 2 billion people are affected if a health risk associated with their products is deliberately ignored, even if that 25% is total domination in 25% of the consumer market and complete irrelevance in the other 75%, which is very unlikely.

Not all gmo seeds are sterile. This is just false

@iiii that said there have been lawsuits of crazy shit like seed blowing onto a neighbour farm demanding payment for selling the grown result, for plants that aren't sterile it's sometimes not allowed to harvest and replant, must be rebought each time.

@atheist I a suspect they do that shit on purpose to try and hurt competition. Monsanto is a disgusting company.

@atheist that's just ridiculous. Those "providers" should be lynched

Think we are all enslaved in different levels. Dependence and mental traps do that. The biggest problem in Africa from an outside limited view (so take it with a grain of salt) is that humans breeding like crazy. Rape is rampant and birth control still is taboo in a lot of communities.

The problem with hunger lies in human nature and can never be resolved unless we resolve that. Not just humans but just about any animal species. Given enough resources and no natural enemies; the species expands till there are again not enough resources...

@hjk101 right but there's a difference between "trapped" (forced to spend a large portion of your time developing business relationships and executing strategies to secure food and resources) and trapped (forced to perform a single role under a single provider in a single specific way year over year for the rest of your life to survive while they optimize the only offer you get to minimize your surplus)

@hjk101 Farmers growing Monsanto rice aren't trapped in a philosophical sense, they literally have no alternative, and in absence of choice, no leeway or profit margin. The only reason any business can make profit is that there is either competition among the providers they depend on or they aren't fully dependent. Monsanto turned seeds from a product into a service their customers are fully dependent on, and they don't have much competition in markets like Africa or India.

WOOOOOOOKE

fr I stopped paying the supermarkets and i just get my shit from the normal market.

It's a small thing but it's way better. Granted i have to wake up at 10 on the sunday but it's nice to see people, fruits are fucking delicious and 3 times less expensive than the super, and it's just nice

@lorentz

> Monsanto's strategy isn't secret and is completely legal although immoral. Suggesting that there is a secret highly illegal conspiracy involved with thousands of perpetrators and billions of victims is a huge leap, even if the incentives are there.

Pretty sure it's illegal per human rights and conventions against starving people. But yes, there is no conspiracy. They aren't hiding.

@Demolishun

> The biggest illogical thing I have ever heard is thinking people with unimaginable wealth and power would never conspire behind closed doors to do things contrary to the well being of the masses.

They don't need to do it behind close door. Remember when boing killed a guy and nothing happened?

@lorentz you don't immediately die eating GMO, and you still have to sue them and prove causation

carcinogenic is the easiest one to "prove" but you still can't prove it in court. those poor East Palestine people are a good case study of this -- then the lawyers go find everything else that's carcinogenic in the environment and say "plausible deniability"

metabolic and immune issues from GMOs are the actual issue though, and I'm not sure there has ever been a court case where they can "prove" that it happened

it's not that billions of people would die, it's that you slowly maim people

also I should add that GMOs are not "better" plants to eat persay. so for example they GMO'ed corn to be able to survive glyphosate -- so they can spray glyphosate on the corn and use it as a pesticide that the corn survives fine while pests can't, but the problem is... you are not GMO'ed to survive glyphosate. it destroys your gut lining and then you get b2plane. stuff like that

@lorentz trapped by illusion of choice?

you have option of which company to work for, but the investor which owns all the companies in that sector controls all of them and dictates the terms strictly. it looks like choice but it is not. so that rule doesn't apply broadly. this happens far more often than you would think

and specifically your rule never applies when it comes to governments: government is a natural monopoly -- anything a government does you have no choice, because we have all agreed that they can punish anyone that doesn't follow what they say

@antigermgerm it's still "conspiring"

conspiracy means a group of people agreed to do something

you mean it's not "theory" because it's out in the open

it's pretty amazing how slandered that term is yet no body knows what it actually means smh

@jestdotty ah then yes it's a conspiracy.

It's called capitalism. It's the way the nobles found to stay rich. You create huge companies and do profit and the slaves have to work.

They are the reptilians, if you will