Thanks EU.

No problem

Goodbye privacy I guess?

@Codex404 @gitpush

Article 13

Wait wasn't that the copyright one, that basically fucks the internet?

@Wack yes

@Codex404 so they had the vote and approved it?

Haven't found the results yet. Have you got a link?

Soon...

Thanks indeed...

Meybe this isn't ironically

@Floydian

https://juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-r...

- Article 11: Extra copyright for news sites

Will all use of journalistic content online, even when just describing a link, require a license from the publisher?

- Article 13: Censorship machines

Will internet platforms where users can upload content be forced to monitor user behavior to identify and prevent copyright infringement?

- Article 3: Text and Data Mining exception limited in scope

Will a new EU-wide permission to conduct research using text and data mining be limited to research institutions only?

That's the "summary of the summary", but I highly suggest reading her article.

In germany the big publishing houses bought the link tax from the politicians. Whining about not getting paid by google using their headlines in Google news.

When the law came, the publishing houses were ecstatic: $_$ cash! finally!

But what happened was Google delisted their content. 😆
The newspapers lost 60% of it's readers on the first days. The whining of the publishing houses was even bigger. Next the Newspapers who got delisted had to pay google to get listed again. trololol xD

I mean granted Link Tax sounds like a fantastic Idea for a pre digital age. But this not how the internet works. And laws about digital matters shouldn't be decided by people older than 40 years old. 😡

In German the Link Tax has a evil genious name which only germans can come up with "Leistungsschutzrecht" or roughly translated "Merit protection law".
Which implies that the reward of an effort has to be protected.

Who can be against that?

@heyheni Just to remind you that Internet was *invented* by people that now are way much older than 40.
Some (well, MOST) 25 y.o. have no slightest idea how it works anyway. Even nowadays.
Age here, as mostly anywhere, can't be a criteria of expertise.

Time to invest in Tor, I2P and the likes.. and fuck those senile fucks that call themselves EU representatives.

@arazzz the thing is, those people that are now way past their 40's did their most significant contributions to the internet in their 20's. I notice this thing with older people that they don't really "get" the internet. There are exceptions, and average teens don't really do a great job on the internet with all their Instabook geotagging and nametesting shit either.. but on average I'd say that younger people are quicker on the uptake when it comes to learning how technology works. That's why politicians that are way past their 60's really shouldn't decide on this stuff. Seen those senators on the Zuckerberg testimony earlier? They had no idea what they were talking about. I'm pretty sure that the EU Parliament members are no different.

@elcore thanks for showing that chart 🙂 it's interesting to see that most of the votes in favor came from the conservatives. It surprises me that the far right didn't vote more in favor though.. I mean, this is certainly something that the right would be in favor of, and the left would be against, which the stats reflect for the most part 🤔

Don't forget to thank companies and developers who would build those systems.

Thank those greedy motherfuckers.

@elcore politicians sure do work in strange ways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Holy fucking shit man.

It kind of astonishes me, that so many social democrates voted for it though...

@arazzz it's a fucking miraccle the internet is still based on BGP and more so, that it still works... Although SCION looks promicing as a replacement sometimes.

@Wack Have you looked into IPFS, Dat, and other solutions like this?

@Jilano looked into IPFS but as far as I understood it (or as far as I have read), it still relies on BGP to do routing between different AS, as it's a higher level protocol.

@Wack what is SCION? A search returned unexpected results...

@kenogo he looks happy, waiting for more nice things from him like software patents or maybe copyright concentration camps. I hope to see more of his great work.

@mngr https://www.scion-architecture.net/ it's currently in some field trials between some swiss universities, and a few of the swiss providers as well as one of the big banks.

It kind of tries to eliminate the problems that BGP has by building a trust chain between the AS and have the heavy lifting of anouncing BGP routes done by only a few core AS which then propagate it to all their subscribers.

One last stupid question, what does AS stands for?

@mngr Autonomous system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

@elcore I just spent half an hour trying to find results of the EUP voting that you have posted screenshot of, without any luck. Can you please provide the URL so I'll check how my representative did this time?

Thanks!

@Condor EPP is not really left nor right. It's rooted in religion and socially conservative. Most of their member parties either hate the idea of an uncontrolled internet (Fidesz, Forza), or their voters are just traditional/rural with little interest in technology (CDA, CDU/CSU).

It's not really a left/right issue anyway -- both have "controlled press/market" vs "free press/market" parties.

I've always found the binary subdivision of parties to be a bit arbitrary anyway.

@vlatkozelka interesting!
Let' s say I make a program that produces a copyrighted photo, in some obscure way.
is the program copyrighted? Is violation sharing that program?

(don't think of pic editor, that can produce /any/ photo)

@mngr aren't we going back to the question, if primes should be propertary? I thought "we" won that debate back when it was about copywrith...

@vlatkozelka good point. Security should become more important for users to consider (just like they do with their physical security - do you ever leave your home with the front door unlocked?), but also how people use (and abuse) the internet. Freebooting is a huge problem that should be solved. Copypasta of content from YouTube to Facebook for example. But slight modifications can be made, and how are those going to be dealt with? What kind of advanced AI could become responsible for that? Would something capable of dealing with that be considered an artificial human?

@Wack I don' t remember discussion over copywrith... How old is it? Maybe I missed it?

@mngr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/... it was about encoding a program to dissable copy protection of dvds in a big prime number.

Even if you may think different, here is my opinion :

Copyright is a good thing.
Ensuring copyright is a good thing.
If you want to share sth, create it by yourself or give credit to the author.

It's that simple. And it is a good thing. It does not disallow you from saying anything. Just say it in your own words / images.