!rant (semi-dev)

Just learned the military regulations probably won't prevent me from getting an NFC implant because it's invisible so they don't give a damn!

Oh the adventures and hacking that can be! Think I'm gonna do it.

What exactly is a practical reasoning for that ludicrous idea?

Also interested in this question.

Let the cyborg era begin.

@Stuxnet because it's completely safe, and opens a whole new window into electronics, access control and security.

Isn't the concept of hacking (old definition) to do ludicrous things because they are fun, interesting and exploratory?

(Also side note: not even newish. People have been doing it for the last 13 years.)

@deadPix3l Right but WHAT is the "new window" you're talking about?

What can you actually achieve from doing this?

@Stuxnet communicating with NFC terminals for:

- Sharing data with smart phones
- Unlocking various things like smart locks
- Starting your car
- Badging in at work
- Payment
- Never forgetting your metro card or hotel key

More nefarious purposes (I do security and pen tests as part of my job, so I think alot about how to break shit):
- testing prox readers on pen tests or cloning creds (a method popularly used by deviant ollam)
- discretely interacting with NFC readers without the need to discretely palm a tag
- creating fake badges that scan, but only for you! (Cause its not in the badge, it's your hand!)
- etc.

@deadPix3l I feel like using a keychain would be a bit more logical but hey you do you man.

@irene same concept yea. But without the obvious drawbacks of putting a sticker on your hand.

@irene fair enough. But I'm not alergic to anything, and they are coated in strong, biosafety glass, about the size of a grain of rice.

It's definitely not for everyone, and I'm not entirely sure I'm gonna do it. But it's something I've considered for years and it's nice to know I'm allowed to.

i love the idea but haven't used nfc on my phone even once. once my environment implements this 'brave new technology' i'd give it a go. i think it is a smaller risk than tattoos or cheap jewellery.

@erroronline1 I rarely use NFC either. I just found it not more convenient, just differently inconvenient. But I've learned that's because:

A) a phone is a really inconvenient reader. You have to pull it out, unlock it, hold it up to the tag. It's just a pain. I much prefer in place readers like a metro turnstile where the reader is fixed somewhere.

B) the tag is likely on your keys or on a card in your wallet. So you have to reach into your pocket, get your wallet, remove a card. God it's just not worth.

But if I install a reader into the lock on my front door, and a chip in my hand, then just the simple action of trying to open the door is inadvertently scanning it.

That's my goal. Use NFC completely inadvertently based on my hand placement. No cards, no stickers, no phone.

@irene depending. My metro card would scan through my wallet roughly half the time IF I put it in the back most slot to be closer to the outside. If it was in front, I had a lot of paper bills or receipts, or just being temperamental: It wouldn't. Add that to the fact that credit cards may also scan and interfere, metal such as a platinum card, multitool, or spare key way degrade or block signal, or having multiple NFC tags, and the success rate drops to near 0.

Ultimately the point I see is have a tag which:

Cannot be forgotten or lost. Something you are garenteed to always have. (Which this condition itself necessitates it to be on or in the body)

Is always available without great effort (ie not in pockets, wallet, phone, keys, etc)

Does not need fiddling, rearranging, or adjusting to create an interference free bubble for scanning.

Simply putting your hand up to a reader (an action which is already required regardless of tag form factor) is the most convienent.

What you are trying to do is called "Biohacking" more specifically DIY Biology.

You may check 2nd episode (Upgrade) of Dark Net (Season 1) in Netflix. You'll get to know about RFID implant from that episode.

@irene no, it's about RFID implant. I saw it recently and to make sure I just checked in the Wikipedia. You may be referring to something else.

@AnonymousDev yup fully aware! (Even tagged biohacking lol) Thinking about getting one from dangerous things for a while now, but only now learned that I'm allowed to.