Sigh. There are a number of 'app' makers out there that slap their website into a WebView framework and call it 'our app'. Are you fucking kidding me? If you develop an app, make it at the very least native, not a port. Lazy fuckers.

Amen!

@retoor come on, even Apple has turned its back on it. How much more evidence do you need that it’s horseshit? :P

@retoor IIRC, Apple was the initiator of the downfall of Flash in the browser.
Sometimes thinking different is actually good :)

@whimsical devs did amazing things with it despite the tech being dogshit. Somehow almost everyone is glad that it‘s gone now :)

@Lensflare Ruffle would like to disagree. Flash was loved by many. I think the FFX site was pretty much all flash. Stuff we can finally start doing with the latests css they were doing using flash.

AFAIK the issue was with security, not with the quality of flash. There is still no replacement for 2D animatics from what I hear

@BordedDev I'd say that the lack of security is already a good indicator low quality tech, but you are right, it was mainly because of security.

As for a decent replacement, YES! It‘s a fucking joke that we still don’t have decent tech for web UI and graphics and are stuck with this HTML/CSS/JS trisaster.

@BordedDev also the performance of flash games was crap. Even though it might just have been bad programming, the extremely high number of awfully performing flash apps suggests that it was flash's fault.

@BordedDev we definitely need a replacement for flash. But without its flaws. The fact that we don’t have one is actually quite pathetic.

Devs: there's no point making this into mobile apps, the web app works fine on mobile devices, we're not doing any funky hardware and we don't need to store data offline. It's just another thing to go wrong.

Management: all my friends have apps.

Devs: we'll have to do everything three times and charge you three times, and we'll also start to really dislike you.

Management: my 13yo kid made an app, it's really easy.

Devs: fine, here's your fucking app.

@Lensflare The performance issue probably came from the fact it was a vector renderer and used its own version of js/ts (actionscript). Ruffle btw is a new flash runner, it works with quite a lot of the swf out there.

Embedding is pretty much dead because of security issues, but java also existed there for the performance issues ;P

Hmm... security-wise I've heard the same thing about flash, but damn, it was fun learning Macromedia Flash 5 in school. Good software.

If anyone wants to know, I'm talking about annoying stuff like Cordova. lol

I agree.

But I can also kind of see how it happens.

There's a segment of the population who seem to only use apps, and you kinda lose them entirely if you don't have one.

But as soon as someone demands a fully native app - some the companies might postpone it for years as they fear it's too much work.

Sometimes it may be ok to make a kinda shitty web-app if it at least has one extra feature (like maybe more persistent data-storage) and that may reach some users ...even if you and me find it sub-par

We are a small company that needed an App for Apple, Android & Windows (10+ years ago). We chose Cordova, as we don't have the time/manpower and know-how to make full native apps for all platforms. We are still distributing and maintaining these. They are not use very often, but that is all the more reason why we don't want to spend a lot of effort on them.

I kinda like the concept of using a webview as a sort of "virtual machine" for you application so it can run on multiple platforms.

@WillemD I totally respect this.

Let me guess that if the boss demanded that all apps in the org must be fully native or you cannot have apps at all - your team may decide to scrap the apps entirely, cause it'd be a bit too much work.