Help me out, am I right wing or left wing?

- I am okay with closed borders and throwing people out who are here illegally.
- I am even okay with open borders and letting everyone in who wants to come.
- I am not okay with dozens over dozens of ways of staying in a country and becoming a citizen after arriving illegally which are just a backdoors, so that we can still claim that we don't have open borders while they are defacto open.

Why assign labels which don’t fit either way?
Don‘t be ostream.

am I right wing or left wing?

- I am okay muslims demanding to respect and keep quiet during ramadam

- I am not okay with all the assholes blocking highways and roads with rented cars, hocking all over the place when there is an arranged marriage on our peacefull sunday

- I am okay to throw the people from above out

I think you just don't like stupid policies.

@spongessuck

Stupid and hidden. Hidden is the worse.

I cannot understand why we cannot all start of with demanding clarity

You hold a normal, balanced, middle of the road (slightly libertarian) opinion.

People aren't allowed to have normal middle of the road opinions. The psychological operation that is "the news" is designed to make everyone cheer for one political sports team and disown everyone who likes the other team.

The most radical view to take in America is to reject both political parties.

direct democracy wehn. we have the technology

if they can do surveillance state they can do direct democracy. we all got spy phones for a reason

@jestdotty under the premise that democracy is a good idea, I agree with you. I just don't share your premise

By modern standards, that probably counts as far right.

Interesting that you'd be ok with letting everyone in who wants to come though. It would be absolute carnage. Unless you're in a country that nobody wants to come to in which case fair enough.

> I am okay with closed borders and throwing people out who are here illegally.

My wife is "here illegally" because the police waited one year to give her the paper she needed and the governement office removed her visa.

If she's "throwned away" I'll find a casual racist (like you), kidnap his wife and sell her on the sex-slave markets of lybia.

After all, that's what they hope for me.

I hate you and I want you to die @TrayKnots.

@badger yeah fuck you too bitch. Imagine being an evil piece of shit wishing harm for people who did nothing wrong. Piece of shit

Death to all the nazis

@antigermanist

Yea, you're a crazy person.

@TrayKnots I'm the crazy person? You'd have no second through sending my wife to south sudan you piece of shit.

The issue with normie like you is that they're too stupid to realize they're evil.

@TrayKnots you're a coward that expect the cops to do their dirty job lmao.

Less-than-human people who accomplished nothing tends in their life tends to take their misery to more vulnerable than them.

@antigermanist

Is it okay if I just came to your home and took all your stuff?

@TrayKnots try living in fear to see your loved ones kidnapped, you heartless asshole. It's very bad for mental health.

Fuck you and death to all the nazis.

@TrayKnots a country is bigger than a house, retard. My wife isn't taking anything off you, you stupid ass bitch.

Get cancer

@antigermanist

Just answer the question.

the problem with US politics (1 in many) is that its binary, either democrat or republican

id say right-ish

@Grumm ramadaN*

@TrayKnots JuSt AnsWer ThE QuestIon.

If my house was big enough to host millions of people, it maybe would be relevant, retard

@TrayKnots what is my wife taking from you? JuSt AnsweR ThE QuestIoN

I mean it really is a question of awareness. The average idiot is passively swallowing all the official euphemism to hide the horror that they're supporting. They only want to SeCurE OuR BordEr (aka do ethnic clainsing).

But when they'll throw your loved one in concentration camps, you will not have the right to whine about it. Piece of shit

I'm very serious by the way.

If a loved one of mine end up deported, I'll murder a racist. And I will go to prison. But at least I'll be able to look at myself in the mirror

So do not forget to screenshot this for legal reasons.

You get what you wish for

@antigermanist

I have no idea what house houses millions. I am talking about that thing you live in. Or are you telling me that is big enough to house millions? Wow, you're delusional.

@badger yeah imagine letting people live where tf they want. Oh no the horror, brown people.

People like you deserve death

@antigermanist

Sure, sure, I deserve death. But I think you make up a scenario in your head. And being incapable of determining if you are fine with me coming and taking your stuff in a hypothetical doesn't make me believe in the soundness of your mind.

@TrayKnots I'm telling you a COUNTRY is order of magnitude bigger than a HOUSE.

Thus, the fact I wouldn't let you come to my HOUSE (I have a strict no racist policy) is irrelevant to the immigration debate, since HOUSE and COUNTRIES are different things.

Do you understand or do I need to make it even simpler?

@TrayKnots yeah well again, living in the constant fears than some unmarked motherfuckers in black can come and take my wife doesn't help me to have a sane outlook on life.

And you would know if you had any life experience instead of being a fucking sheep.

@antigermanist

I am aware of the magnitudes. What makes you think I compare a country to a house? That's exactly what I mean by you making stuff up in your head.

So, I understand that you are not okay with me coming to your house to take your stuff. Can be agree on that? Just a point in we both understand each other?

@TrayKnots no we cannot agree on that, you bad-faithed little maggot.

I hope your mum gets sent to south sudan where she belong, you son of a ho

@antigermanist

Wait, we don't agree. I thought you won't be okay with me taking all your stuff. You disagree. So you are okay with that?

@TrayKnots i know your little demonstration by heart, retard. You think you're original with your "i'll come to your house for free" bullshit?

Go back to facebook

@antigermanist

I am trying to establish a basis. Some common ground. Basically, you don't want that. I can agree on that. You seem terrified of common ground. What gives?

@TrayKnots I said my house had a strict no-racists policy.

I wouldn't give a shit if you decided to rent an appartement down the street. You know, coz I'm not a hateful cunt like those anti-immigration pisstwatters

@TrayKnots oh no I love common grounds.

You know, they're commons, everybody can live there.

You seems to hate them though. Quit projecting

@antigermanist well, that doesn't answer my question. I only know racists cannot take your stuff. But what about me?

@TrayKnots I can't find a common ground with people who support forced deportation. It's like calmly discussing with a pedos about the merits of raping kids, there is zero point in doing that.

@antigermanist so, no country is allowed to keep anyone out?

I'm w/ @Lensflare. Why would it even matter? You have your own opinions, why try applying any label to that?

@D-4got10-01

Just kept getting labelled... got annoyed. In a moment of annoyance, I posted that. Left wingers call me right, right wingers left.

@TrayKnots just stop it man, I said I know your bullshit by heart. I answered already. Everybody's welcome to my house and that have nothing to do with moving to another country.

Immigrants are the ones building the damn houses lmao

@antigermanist

You seem to not understand what I am getting at. Because you somehow prattle about the magnitudes of size difference. Seems that you cannot predict my points.

@TrayKnots in general no. I can hear an exception for violent offenders but everything else is just bullshit. Let people live where tf they want. They aren't load, they're people, they work and they buy shit and they pay taxes. Well, when you let them.

@TrayKnots then stop playing games and just say where you're getting at instead of blowing whistle.

@antigermanist

That was an answer not to the house question but to the a country shouldn't be allowed to keep anyone out question.

Yea, I could live with that. That would be my ideal, too. I am not convinced it would work, but that would be perfect.

As to the other thing, I don't just get to it. I make an argument at a time. I don't allow people to decide afterwards to disagree with lead-up arguments. That is the most rotten and intellectually dishonest shit. And craven.

@TrayKnots well what's up with that bullshit then? If you're ok with open border you shouldn't have a problem with people coming "illegally". The law is stupid. Immigration is victimeless crime.

And the alternative is either to create an appartheid or to deport the people you deem unworthy. Both are inhumane. Simple truth

@antigermanist

You have stopped reading my original message after the first bullet point, haven't you?

Maybe you read the post again and see if you understand what I am getting at.

@antigermanist but ur immigrant wife leaves trash around the place omg

@TrayKnots sorry buddy but that shit hits home and I'm tired. My wife cant work, there's racist propaganda everywhere and I'm fucking scared, there's no jobs, I'm about to go broke. Fuck this country

@jestdotty no only in the kitchen and the bed room.

@antigermanist

The whole thing is simply about a middle stance. While agreeing it would be an ideal. I want to go everywhere, I don't know if it works. But what I cannot stand are systems designed to do the opposite.

Like the pushes to allow illegal immigrants in the USA to vote. That's just bullshit. I can understand throwing them out. I can also understand naturalizing them. They would be allowed to vote afterwards. But why the fuck are there really people who want them to be allowed to vote but still have them be illegals.

@TrayKnots your conversation with ostream reminds me so much of those that I had with him 😂 over the many years.

You absolutely can’t talk with him reasonably, no matter the topic. I don’t even try anymore.
It‘s very exhausting and frustrating.

Once I believed that he can not possibly be serious and that he is a troll. Now I don’t know what to believe anymore. Maybe he is not a troll.

Ostream, I hope you are not too offended by what I said.
I learned to take your crazyness with humor.

@TrayKnots You could always just say that you affiliate w/ neither. I'm also pretty sure it is quite rare to agree w/ all the ideologies on either side, so...

@Lensflare "I can understand throwing them out"

As I said, there's zero point in talking to shitty people. You wouldn't site quietly with a pedophile to debate about the merits of raping kids.

Centrists would try to find a middle way between the nazis and the jews.

@Lensflare I'm not "offended". I am scared that a large proportion of the population seems to be undecided between the victims and the oppressors.

@antigermanist Thinking about it now, middle ground is not what I want. It is pretty much the one thing I am opposed to. That means incoherence. Middle ground is the policy in which they remain illegals but can vote. Naturalize them. Or throw them out. But not both.

Yeah, apologies, middle stance was the wrong choice of words.

@antigermanist lol, exactly what I‘m talking about. You always manage to misunderstand what someone says and drag the topic into a different direction. I don’t know how you do that, but I won‘t let you drag me into this, not again 😂