Some of y'all talk way too much shit about web development tools/libs without being web devs yourselves......

I don't know enough about OS development to talk shit, you see me doing it? no

fk me I am getting so fucking fed up with this community, it used to be cool rants about the shit that we go through, now is just pop wannabe dev ranting meme bullshit

When are you leaving dR?

There are way the fuck too many memes anymore.

@asgs y? You are coming with me?

@AleCx04 no, it sounded like you are going to quit

@broseph there is a lot of fucking stupid shit in here. It turned into some reddit 9gag styled bullshit

@AleCx04 Wasn’t there an account who’s entire purpose was posting news links? That’s not the shit I signed up for..

@asgs where did I say i was leaving or made it sound like it? This place used to be the bomb. I want it back to what it was, before the retarded noob meme revolution and the stupid fake rants

@Alice you can fuck off like you did last time :D

@AleCx04 the fact that you got fed up.

One thing is for sure. New ranters sign up on a daily/weekly basis and they are going to do what you are already hating. joke/meme is probably the most used tag and it requires the least creativity and effort

I've disabled the memes category entirely. The few good ones were not worth the loads of mindless, reposted and outright stupid shit anymore. Those that still come through get an immediate downvote as spam.

@asgs its intense man. I dunno what made this community explode the way it did. But fuuuuuuck me this shit is everywhere now.

Might say fuck it and leave eventually if it keeps getting bad. It really sucks, some people here are really knowledgeable and have posted some amazing info, some are truly inspiring....but then we have the meme n00b paradise...

@AleCx04 you know the deal chief.

If you leave I'mma need a discord/slack/anything so we can keep in touch. That's the only way you're allowed to leave 😂😂

@Fast-Nop been doing that as well.

@Stuxnet you know it man, you are one of the few people here that keeps this place sane

Sad but true.
Don't leave, there's only so many names I know around these parts that actually know what they're talking about.

@AleCx04 just trying to help make sure it stays the way I'd like the community to be

Is this dissing me or did i miss something

@ganjaman no bro, just got tired of seeing a fuckload of js/php memes and shit like that

@C0D4 same man, if you and some of the other good rantes leave,then this place will definitely suck

@irene one mans rubbish is another mans treasure.

It's a mess if you make it a mess.
It's no different to any other sector of programming in that regard.

@irene it is an extremely subjective perspective really. Your opinion to it is not a fact of the current state of development. Because of this I would take it with a grain of salt.

Nothing about the way the web can be programmed is a mess in much the same way that the way we build houses is a mess. Sure, one day automation will make it better, in the meantime the tools continue to evolve.

CSS keeps evolving and being standarized by the top players if you use obscureBrowser and shit ain't supported...well...

Javascript is evolving at a good pace regarding the demands of developers to better fit web development workflows. I see no other language whose community really strives to adapt proper features in it. The same can be said about PHP.
REST is not a mess, its not a lib or a framework either. People not getting it does not mean its bad. It just means people are morons.

There are many things that prove that the issue here are people waaay more than the tools.

@RantSomeWhere that is what it feels sometimes. Don't get me wrong, they are quick to address certain issues, but the matter of post content is something they could not seem to give 2 shits about

@AleCx04 you said it for me 💪

@irene, the web is perceived as a chaotic mess simply because of the lack of programming skill needed to enter it.

Anyone can make a mess, skilful and knowledgeable devs know how to keep a mess under control, sadly the web world is flooded with incompetence as it's the go to entry point these days to get into any programming, if the tables had been turned and we made C or assembly the entry level go to we would be having a slightly different argument right now.

Ps: yea i said it was a mess, doesn't mean I have to keep it a mess.

@irene he said it was a mess because of the people.

You said it was a mess because of the technology.

Big difference right there.

@irene stretching in order to make your point valid. In spanish we call that "tirar patadas de ahogado", basically when one clings to whatever he or she can to stick to their guns. You did not mean that when you started your argument but ok I guess.

The web is a mess because the abstractions are leaking left and right. Hey, even TCP sucks for mobile usage because it wasn't designed for that use case.

But what would you do? If you want to create new shit NOW, you can't wait until some tech standard bodies decide on the tech for tomorrow and until the installed tech basis in the wild catches up.

@irene so In saying that. All sectors are a mess. Good to know, I'll leave you to your embedded mess 😉

God, FUCK OS development. What the FUCK with all these magic numbers, it's so BULLSHIT. Web dev is where it's at. Everything is verbose and simple. Not a line of assembly in my codebase, just God's perfect programming language, HTML

@AlgoRythm agree HTML is programming language master race

What a moaner

@fullslack fuck off :D

Are you guys kidding me?

HTML is a markup language. That has as much to do with programming as spray cans have with car building.

And putting JS Frameworks onto more Frameworks until a shit load of stuff piles up to sizes bigger than old operating systems doesn't help either.

Why does a webengine, like QtWebengine or GtkWebKit need hours to compile and several GB for linking?

Because of all the hilarious corner cases of corner cases of ancient long gone standards that keep trickling in.

With HTML5 there should have been a cut. Tear out the old cancerous shit and declare it obsolete.
Site foo.bar isn't rendered correctly any more? Get them to update their shit or use an ancient browser.

Todays browsers have a code base a hundred times bigger than the whole of Windows 95. Why?
Because the whole web tech is a mess of incompatible stuff glued together and nobody's willing to clean that up.

I can really understand when professional web devs get frustrated by that...

Just to clarify this before someone makes false assumptions : I was into web development between 1999 and 2009 and left that behind for good. So I witnessed the development when things began to get out of hands.
I had to deal with HTML4, PHP3 and 4, Java, JavaScript, and wrote ASP and JSP for an online broker.

So I remember times when things were already starting to get messy...

We have some cool tech these days, but somebody somewhere has to clean that up, or we're all be doomed.

The "disenchantment" Blog is mostly about the Web, so it might be worth reading (again)
https://tonsky.me/blog/...

@Yamakuzure Oh, they did try some new, shiny and incompatible shit, namely XHTML. But it flopped because nobody spends a lot of money just to have the same website as before. It was design by committee while completely ignoring both authors and browser vendors.

Just like Intel's Itanic tanked and AMD's 64 bit x86 extension made the race instead.

Backward compatibility piles up cruft, but it's vital if you want to succeed at all.

And JS frameworks actually address a real need, that is managing state between GUI, application and database. Before them, things used to derail into a JQuery spaghetti mess not because JQuery was bad, but because it was not designed to solve this problem.

There are so many of them because what fits for one use case doesn't fit well for the next one, and people are trying out abstractions to figure out what works and what doesn't.

@Fast-Nop Well said!

I had a glimps on XHTML... Well, good intentions aren't enough, are they? 🤔

To get a grasp on what I think is very very wrong, please have a look at this :
https://npmjs.com/package/is-even/

@Alice and it gets better!
https://npmjs.com/package/is-odd/

What it does is:
return (n % 2) === 1;

And the aforementioned isEven() does: (*tadaa*)
return !isOdd(i);

Brillant isn't it?

@Alice exactly! It's a direct dependency. And all this just so you don't need to write a modulo yourself. 😁

@Yamakuzure With janky websites, that's mostly authors using too much useless shit, and then even in the wrong way. Like doing redraws right in the event handler especially for scroll / resize, or JS driven animations. Not to mention completely useless shit that nobody wants on regular websites, like parallax scrolling or scrolljacking.

The tech is there, but web authors have to actually use it properly. There is no valid reason why scroll performance should be an issue.

i'm porting Linux to the 3DS with the help of one other person. Doesn't give me the right to bitch about OS dev even though i'm porting one.

Everyone's a critic. Just be one or don't.

also i post normal rants all the time but i don't complain