The more I investigate mobile development the more it becomes apparent to me that modern development is a *massive* pile of technical debt thats going to burst, crash, and burn one day, along with the entire industry.

If it takes a newbie more than ten minutes in your framework to add a fucking *button* and navigate to a new screen, then your framework is shit.

Try doing it with C with ncurses or winforms. As a newbie. That's the challenge :D

Thats why I am sad UWP didnt work out as they hoped. Within 15 minutes I could have downloaded the required SDKs, make an app like you describe and deploy it bot to Windows and my phone.

It just worked out of the box.

@mt3o or maybe use zApp Application Framework since you are naming ancient frameworks that no one ever uses.

ok but then came flutter

@Codex404 ancient? :D like C is ancient. Anyway, what's the current cool framework for GUI apps in text mode?
Winforms can be old, but they are still in use. That's important if you want to create software for people with no so powerful computers.

I mean, android apps made in java are a completely complicated, stupid and glorified JavaFX project

@mt3o winforms is ancient and in my experience never used for new projects. WPF is way more common and because of the similarities with UWP, Xamarin and Avalonia it makes it easier to port things over to multiplatform.

So yes winforms is ancient and only used in existing projects, in the netherlands you get laughed at when you start a new application with winforms...

@Codex404 it depends on the platform and requirements. Where I work we have such programs. You know, about ten years ago I had similar discussion. But then instead of UWP people were hyped about silverlight. After that time I still see software in winforms, and Silverlight is practically dead :)

@mt3o im not talking about UWP. Im saying WPF is the thing to do. Since almost no one younger than 30 knows WinForms. Since WPF is easier and more modern.
Hell in 2014 they (MS) already said only bugs will be fixed because its outdated. You can keep saying that it isn't but if it isnt in actual development and the creator has made an alternative I am pretty sure one can say its outdated and shouldnt start a new project with it.

Point taken. Nevertheless, try it like millions of devs before you and then get back to naming android as a technical debt.