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m0nk
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Ok I'm totally lost...
here is my list
Alienware m15/17
Lenovo Legion Y740
Lenovo Legion Y540
Or just get a desktop ?

Usages: Gaming (not that hardcore)
Virtual Machines
Deep Learning

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    If mobility is not a stringent requirement, go for a desktop - much easier to get powerful parts and cool them adequately (especially for intensive workloads such as ML).
    Bonus: you can actually pick a good gaming monitor, so you can enjoy your games and get shit done too.

    Look for a high-tier ryzen 3xxx and nvidia gpu, nvme ssd, fast ram, and decent air cooling.

    Also, heavy laptops become awfully painful to carry around on your back if you're not very fit (like me), and if you're gonna keep them plugged in most of the time you're just gonna destroy a battery for no good reason.
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    @endor ok if we consider mobility for the next 1.5 2 years
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    Msi will give you more laptop for the money in gaming.

    Desktop is better.

    https://xoticpc.com/collections/...
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    never buy lenovo
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    If you need the mobility or want to have some mobility, but want to game hard (AAA games), grab an MSI, cheaper and similar specs as AlienWare.

    Cooling can be an issue if you punish it hard enough, but you can always grab a decent fan stand and cool it that way, I've only had a couple of games need the additional airflow (EA can punish you at times)

    Plus it will still have the specs needed to run VMs and anything else you like.
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    @yellow-dog what's wrong with lenovo? mine's not super performant or anything but having used it for a few months it still seems like I got a pretty good deal 🤔
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    @M1sf3t what lenovo ? Because im thinking of y740 and it seems ubuntu has issues with the lenovo y family
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    @m0nk Oh it's just a little flex, I was mostly just looking for a budget machine that would let me draw on the screen 😅
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    @M1sf3t no worries man. it's all about whatever works
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    @m0nk @C0D4 I've had my fair share with Lenovo Legion Y530 and a bit with Y540 (both with Intel CPUs and nvidia/Intel nightmare ...uh I mean "hybrid" graphics). They got the coolers really neatly put to actually help with cooling.
    Downsides: no Linux support from Lenovo whatsoever, period. If you're trying to run Linux you're gonna experience a lot of quirks and problems with BIOS, ASPM and WiFi. For the most part Ubuntu seems to provide the best out-of-box support Battery won't last more than 3h and that's if you run Windows or have the GPU switched over to Intel iGPU otherwise it'll last no more than 1,5h under load.
    Then again, since you mention gaming, I guess Linux issues are of no concern to you. Besides the issues I've mentioned above, personally I really like the Legion Y730/Y740. One thing I've noticed about size is that 15" is good for when you're a lot on the move - the 17" size is too large and clunky unless you have proper deskspace everywhere (otherwise too much hassle)
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    @M1sf3t used to fix laptops in college, lenovo thinks sandwiching the motherboard between two plastic parts and holding it all together with 5 screws is a good design choice
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    @m0nk @ItsaMeTuni ^
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    @m0nk Upside of a desktop is the ability to upgrade/downgrade easily and no need to worry about decimating the battery like with laptops as mentioned by @endor .

    If you're really set on getting a laptop but want multi-monitor setup the Legions offer HDMI output + MiniDisplayPort + USB Type-C as individual monitor outputs (external Type-C DockStation is available which provides additional output ports, tho I don't know how well can you combine them with built-in ports). Tho, again have to mention Linux where all the GPU outputs function properly only when in non-iGPU mode.
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    @theKarlisK thanks I think im gonna go with the legion Y740. I still have 2 days to think about it
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    @yellow-dog they still do that, tho I prefer the Legions design over the old Dell approach of using million screws of different length. At the same time Dells are obviously sturdier for this and other reasons. The Legions do have some "interesting" design choices because of the all plastic body oh actually...

    @m0nk the Legions have this sort of texture and because of this they are VERY prone to scratches and the air vents located on the sides can be easily broken if you're not careful and accidentally bump into something.
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    @theKarlisK yeah, dells have 7 trillion fucking screws (even the newer ones), but never had any issue with them.

    Ive also never seen a legion with non-broken fan covers.
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    @yellow-dog gotcha, so try not to bang it around?
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    @M1sf3t get a case or some shit tbh
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    @yellow-dog it usually stays sitting flipped over in eisel mode hooked up to a second monitor. Mostly because I'm to lazy to configure the gyro events and write a script to re-calibrate my pen to one screen each time 😅
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    @shes-coding
    Not crazy about the build quality or thermal management of the legion laptops, but they're alright at the price.

    I will say I have my x1 extremes at work running arch with no problems, so you can probably cut over with your legion if you want to with very few headaches.
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    I'd say go with a Y740 as mobility issue would make you regret someday
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    Don't know if HP still does it...

    But maybe asking nice helps.

    HP offers - when you ask nicely - customized builds to professionals.

    It takes time and yes you will have to so some calls and take some time....

    But you'll get the possibility to build your own Laptop with full guarantees. Only downside: it takes it's time.

    The last one I ordered was an Elitebook 840 G1 with a lot of more bling (better Display / connectivity / RAM...)

    Still running today. My favorite
  • 0
    I'm a newbie - would the legion y540/740 be better than the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 7?
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    @SortOfTested is there any specific msi that you'd recommend?
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    @idkwhattobuy
    GS series is great, pretty much any of them. I used them for years until we had to care about client presentation.
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    @SortOfTested that's something i have to care about
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    @m0nk
    Then objectively, don't get anything on your list.
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    @SortOfTested the legion looks professional doesnt it?
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    @m0nk
    It looks gamer chic. Big pandery LEGION emblazoned on the side, weird angles, giant exhaust, rgb all the things. Will definitely lose points with clients.
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    @SortOfTested hmmm will definitely think about it thanks
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    Honestly if you want to present to clients, just get an old beat up macbook, slap in ssd and ram, put on some skin to hide the damages and done, 500$ tops
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    @yellow-dog I'm not a fan of Apple products. I feel they get on my nerves for some reason I am a Linux user for 8+ years now I don't think I'll move away from that.

    On another note I got the Legion Y740. Just bought it. I've never regreted getting lenovo products, as I have been attached to Lenovo products for 5+ years now and I've never been let down. Let's hope it stays that way.
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