A random number generator

You can't do that now?

I believe what was meant was "truly random"...none of these pseudo random functions

Unrelated but it reminds me of this
http://noosphere.princeton.edu

Put a non Dev in front on PC with vi open. Let him try to close vi, covert each character typed to int. Voila! Random generator!

@LicensedCrime Exactly creating a real random number generator would need you to observe an electron's exact movements and translate it into numbers. Only in quantum realm things are actually random boys and girls ! What you call random in the macro world is just a deterministic reaction with too many variables for a human to compute so it appears random.

@Letmecode my gut says he means a truly random number generator with mathematical proof, instead of the psudo random number generators typically used.

Randomness is an assertion about the knowledge of an adversary. In order to prove randomness you must prove some lack of knowledge for unknown adversary, but unknown adversary may have arbitrary knowledge, hence mathematically there is no such thing as true randomness without further assumptions (like those in quantum mechanics).

Truly random number generator... wow! People are going deep in wk31!

You just can't make something random. It's impossible because every single thing is consequence of another.. nevertheless it is a great idea.. I think the thing we have that is more close to this is random sound waves generated by noise in a quiet room or in someplace like Great Kenya or that. Even that wouldn't be random.
We'll wait for quantum shit to happen

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@hisetip random.org uses atmospheric noise to create random numbers

Still, that's not random. It is consequence of something. If you have a being sufficiently intelligent to predict the atmosferic sound (which theoretically can exist) then that is not really random too 😊
I love this ahah @tisaconundrum

How about a webform that allows the user to enter a max and min to constrain the number and then actually has someone generate said random number using a fair dice roll. For extra randomness that number is returned using a udp protocol so whether the actual number is received is well... "random" @h3ll @dmacdo02 @PraveenKishore @Marnsghol @elazar @hisetip

But rolling dice is not random!!! There are robots that can predict the face of a rolling dice by almost 90%!!! That is even less random than randomness by atmospheric sound..
@brettmoan

Nevertheless I got interested in the last part ahahaha awesome
@brettmoan

Quantum indeterminacy is only truly random thing in the universe

@demc *as far as we understand right now.

For us it's still random. We cannot be sure if it's really random or if we are not intelligent enough and think it's random
@demc

@hisetip only when the robot knows the weight, initial postition, and force applied during the roll. If none of these are known, then "for us it's still unknown". If we knew these variables, we could determine the with a high level of outcome, so yes the number is still pseudo random, but as far as our current science suggests, and the pattern of discover around things that have thought to be random previously, it's likely just as good as anything else.

You also have the problem of defining what constitutes "random" vs pseudo random in context, if we define an known numbet number of dice, rolled and unknown number of times, in unknown order, with unknown force, in an unknown gravity, with an unknown weight as still pseudo random, then I would argue that we don't have any true evidence to prove or even support that a "true random" actually exists. We just have things that occur that we cannot explain why with our current understanding the universe and our ability to observe it.

@brettmoan I totally agree with you. Therefore, random only exists in theory or (possibly) in quantum mechanics

@brettmoan TL;DR It's only random when you don't know what makes it.

@magusd amen. Possibly the only argument for intentional ignorance is to preserve the belief that what's appears to be random is random.

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