fuck time zones and time changes, why the fuck we don’t have one time on the planet and one date that is just day.
No month, no years - all the complexity would be gone, day wouldn’t have 24 hours but it would be something more precise, there won’t be a second

time that earth goes around sun is

365,25964 days

31558432896 milliseconds

we should start count time differently so it’s not relative in space time continuum, what should be relative is the mass

those are all dividers of number of milliseconds per year

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 16, 18, 24, 27, 29, 32, 36, 48, 54, 58, 64, 72, 87, 96, 108, 116, 128, 144, 174, 192, 216, 232, 261, 288, 348, 384, 432, 464, 522, 576, 696, 783, 864, 928, 1044, 1152, 1392, 1566, 1728, 1856, 2088, 2784, 3132, 3456, 3712, 4176, 5568, 6264, 8352, 11136, 12528, 16704, 25056, 33408, 50112, 100224, 314879, 629758, 944637, 1259516, 1889274, 2519032, 2833911, 3778548, 5038064, 5667822, 7557096, 8501733, 9131491, 10076128, 11335644, 15114192, 17003466, 18262982, 20152256, 22671288, 27394473, 30228384, 34006932, 36525964, 40304512, 45342576, 54788946, 60456768, 68013864, 73051928, 82183419, 90685152, 109577892, 120913536, 136027728, 146103856, 164366838, 181370304, 219155784, 246550257, 272055456, 292207712, 328733676, 362740608, 438311568, 493100514, 544110912, 584415424, 657467352, 876623136, 986201028, 1088221824, 1168830848, 1314934704, 1753246272, 1972402056, 2629869408, 3506492544, 3944804112, 5259738816, 7889608224, 10519477632, 15779216448, 31558432896

same with the fucking distance from earth to sun, wtf is 149597870 km why we fucking measure things like that you say ? cause definition of meter is time of light travel in vacum so it’s based on second, if second is wrong meter is also wrong

If we ignore the day-night cycle, why should we care about seasons? And besides, for computers it's essentially free to calculate time displays, so why would we discard it right now? No, the solution would be if someone wrote a good datetime library in something like C that can be compiled to pretty much everything and we never had to write it again.

Daylight savings is retarded though, that's without doubt.

@lbfalvy why ignore day-night cycle?
It’s about time not day or night, people used to get up at 6 and work from 8 to 5. That’s the problem. In fact it fucks up day light cycle when you travel by plane over time zones. You have a jetlag cause we fucked up measuring time.

We need time zones because real life is more important than some devs who are too lazy to cope with their fucking jobs, and you would have fucking jet lag anyway because the locals won't sleep all day and work in the night just so that some random dick from the other end of the world who happens to fly into their country doesn't suffer from jet lag.

The only country who would benefit would be the US because if they evade sunshine, they're all black by night so that their rabid Twitter leftists would be happy, but that would meet stiff resistance from South America because the drug cartels won't be happy with fucking black coke powder.

@Fast-Nop You started your diatribe well, but then went all AK on us.

I’m just not looking forward to being separated from the rest of my team by another hour. :(

When do you want to meet?
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1. The global time already exists. It called utc
2. China has one timezone, deapite the fact that they should have 3-4 timeszones. And their point of the timezone is Peking (far east of china)
3. Unixtime, an number of secends since 1970-01-01, also exists.

@vane you have it backwards.

A meter is the circumference if the earth divided by 40 000.

Since this measure was done before modern tools it has proven to be a small bit of and to get an exact repeatedly verifiable value it was redefined as the length a certain wavelength if light travels during a certain time.

And that time does not care for time zones as its to short.

And for almost all scientific and global usage we use UTC as a common measure that is always the same no matter where you are.

Time zones is just for convenience.

Go back two hundred years and you had different time standards for every city. It was the railways that introduced the first standard times to make scheduling easier and time zones came later so thar for normal people the hours of the day had similar meaning as to people on other countries.

But yes, due to inconsistencies we have lots of edge cases where it can be harder to work with, hence UTC.

According to general and special relativity, time cannot be absolute.

@vane About the distance to the sun. Because that happens to be it? If it were to be a neatly even number then something else, like the radius of the earth would be fucked. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Fast-Nop current time measurements benefits only those who live between tropical circle and their daytime is more or less constraint

@Voxera still year have 365 or 366 days, day have 24 hours, hour have 60 minutes, minute have 60 seconds and then suddenly when we reach to milliseconds nobody gives a fuck and we start multiplying by the power of 10. Is that logical and simple ?

matter of fact, we _had_ the time when there just was "the day". In culturology there is a common agreement that prehistoric people didn't have the concept of "yesterday" and "tomorrow", let alone "week", "month" and "year". Every day was thought of as the same day — sun rises and the whole thing repeats over and over

@eerie-binomial the same that is 1/nth of movement of earth around sun. We should drop a pointer wait a year pick it up and start measuring equally to the time passed. Nothing would change just numbers won’t be equal to each other but would be precise in the space continuum.

All of our current problems are cause we have heliocentric theory of relativity and geocentric measurement units. We should drop those units for physics like we dropped theory that the earth is flat.

@vane the SI system is based on fundamental constants.

@vane The time measurement units align to natural phenomena. You can discard weeks, months, hours and everything below, but you can't get rid of the basic fact that the length of days and years enforces two separate cycles, leap years and roughly ten timezones - since people want to use the same numbers to describe positions in the day/night cycle regardless of longitude.

Having lunch at 1pm means the same thing in America, the UK and Delhi. You couldn't possibly achieve this without timezones, and denying the utility of it is also a stretch.

@lbfalvy why ten timezones?

@stop no SI is based on geocentric measurements

@kiki Right, there is Amondawa tribe living in the Amazonia that have no concept of time.

@lbfalvy but having a lunch is just lifestyle, why mangle lifestyle with physics?

@eerie-binomial ah I forgot, yeah so why not measure time based on speed of light going from one place to another ex one second would be photon travel from sun to end of solar system.
We would bind time to gravity of sun instead of binding it to some dumb position inside solar system.

@vane what year do you have? Since 2019 every constant (kilogram, Ampere, Candela, metre, second, kelvin, mole) is derivered from universal constants.

@vane Because the biorythm is naturally tied to physics, e.g. via melatonin and serotonin production depending on the phase (not time) of day.

@vane historical reasons and no, not logical.

But france actually tried to change to base 10 for everything, people just ignored it and kept going with the existing one.

And changing it will need to involve majority of the worlds people and countries.

Not going to happen.

@stop all base units are based on the speed of light in vacuum and cesium frequency, they just make measurement more precise and I’m writing about changing measurements to align time to space instead of space to time.
Time is base SI unit and other SI units use time for measurement ex. meter is derived from m/s and kg is derived from kg m2 / s etc.

It’s like introducing imaginary numbers.

@Fast-Nop @Voxera I’m not questioning how humans work, they can use this shitty system for ages but human centric measurements are dumb.

@vane there are two methods to measure one kilo:
1. With an kibble balance
2. counting atoms in an crystal out of silicium-28

@vane But that problem has long been solved.

You can use the Unix timestamp internally and convert that to and from any time system on the HMI leaves of the system. For stuff like database timestamps, you can convert that to UTC.

Timezones, daylight saving time, yadda yadda, that's just an I/O wrapper library that you don't even need to code yourself because there that has already been done.

@vane The time at which a package is delivered, a bus arrives, a conference call starts or even the time when a rocket is launched is more tightly connected from user standpoint to lunch than to physics. That's why the dates and times displayed to the user are in lunch units rather than physics units.

@vane well, all computers internally use some easy counter like the unix timestamp or similar that just counts milliseconds from a specific time with no regards for anything else.

We then convert this into the other formats as needed.

Sure, it could be slightly more convenient if all computers used the same internal counter BUT to strict standardization also leads to stagnation since any new idea would face massive resistance, just like the human way of thinking of time does.

So having a few competing ways with standardized conversions gives both efficiency and flexibility to accommodate new solutions that are better for certain situations.

So I really cannot see what you hope to accomplish or how you would change things to get there.

Lets start simple. Get rid of stupid fucking daylight savings time. This will help people who hate the time change cope long enough to make more rational choices of everything else.

Omfg that would be awful !
Astronomical calculations sometimes used solar days and solar seconds and then there is epoch time
But that is kind of a dumb idea for
Normal human purposes but I know where it emanates from

Just store all your dates in utc and convert back on the client machine lol

@Demolishun it's not even about hatred, but about fucked up daily cycle for at least a month for everyone

I’m gonna give math a shoot and calculate my own days lol