The next motherfucking asshole, that says there is a shortage of trained IT personnel in Germany, will get their eyeballs ripped out and squished back into their mouth.

I've got my trade degree in mid August. since then I've been without a job. The first 2 months where, bevause my former employer took ages to create my work-certificate (document that shows that you actually worked there and what you did).

Since then, I applied to a multitude of companies and got denied for various reasons. My favorite was "seems unmotivated".

The number of open IT positions is directly correlated to the collective assholelishness and entitlement of HR/management.

sorry, but there IS a serious shortage of QUALIFIED it personnel.

the fact that HR consists of a bunch of mismanaging idiots is a completely other can of worms.

two bad things can be true.

@tosensei this reminds my of the discussions about StackOverflow or fiverrr. Yes, it is possible to create a system where everyone is dissatisfied for different reasons, and there are a lot of dysfunctional systems, on of them being the IT work sector.

I absolutely agree that the supposed workforce shortage in Germany, not only in the information technology sector but also nursing, education, train drivers etc. has several reasons most of which have nothing to do with an actual lack of qualified and motivated people.

Instead, there are unqualified HR recruiters, retarded corporate culture, bureaucracy, and the German state failing to allow people without a German passport to stay and do their work. Also there is a lot of funding money "not being retrieved" because applicants either fail or don't bother to meet the guidelines and fill in the required paperwork.

I have been in a privileged position and worked as an employed web developer before deciding to become a self-employed freelancer, so I could at least stop working for unacceptable people, and unacceptable goals using unacceptable means.

@fraktalisman yet the IT 'shortage' is slowly closing. All new ones have trouble because a lot of new personnel graduates each year. All based on the 'there is a shortage in IT sector, please study this. We need you !!' slogan.

It is shifting from not enough IT to to much IT.

Nursing is getting a shortage, same as teachers. Because everyone now wants a spot in IT.

@Grumm there will surely be no shortage of ReactJS engineers, Web3, machine learning, and data science specialists. But someone will still have to do the rest of the work besides the trending topics.

You sounded very amusingly German just now out of the playbook of stereotypical things Americans expect.. which is angry lol in a fun way.

What tosensei means to say is they're making the excuses everwhere makes not to invest time in reorienting or furthering a person in favor of keeping scum like him.

Vee Chermans are always angry. Bad weather, bad internet, and trains not running on time or not at all. Only thing to cheer is up is a lot of beer and mulled wine :D

@fraktalisman the fact that "mulled wine" is a thing for "cheering up" says sooooooooooooo much about our shitty culture...

@AvatarOfKaine the fuck is your insane little remnant of brain talking about now?

@tosensei the last two comments were delivered by this person a long time ago
Just like another one regarding the cat saying "well if you're not going to eat that" in this awful terrible video where a rescued squirrel is released and it pauses on the tree to be petted and a fucking cat jumped up and grabbed to and the squirrel squealed and the woman shrieked and everyone chased the cat

@metamourge I might have a few contacts

@PonySlaystation
I would very much like to hear about them.

@metamourge E-Mail ist raus :)

@PonySlaystation
Uhh, Danke!

@PonySlaystation @metamourge

Might be interested in looking for jobs in Germany soon.

Care to share any tips about the kind of things I should expect bureaucracy-wise.

I have a decent enough German, bilingual English, and am EU/Schengen citizen, but would like to know what the situation is like first hand.

@CoreFusionX I'm based in CH thus not exactly familiar with what to expect in DE, bureaucracy-wise. A few friends of mine work in DE, so far I heard it's somewhat complicated. The work laws are safe for employees, they can't fire you easily, which - in my opinion - has somewhat contributed to a lax mentality, but that's only what I've heard from a few friends.

I think actual German devs on here can give better info than a cheese licker like me ;)

@PonySlaystation
Oh, sorry. Saw the German and assumed you both would hail from/work there.

My apologies.

@CoreFusionX No worries, mate :)

Come to CH, we have good salaries (but high living costs)

There absolutly is a shortage of mid-level to senior software developer in germany. If your trade degree is System Administrator than you picked bad.

Also junior position always have trouble because of the chicken egg problem called experience. It still is a high demanding industry, so even with a shortage. Good pay have high expectation. Even tho all thia is true, there still is a shortage.

@KDSBest
Then it seems like i picked bad, but thats whats mainly trained where i live. Also, a lot of companies search for admins here. However, they always want one who knows every ever so esoteric technology, but aren't willing to train a new admin for 2 weeks in it.

@metamourge That is just sad.

If you can show that you are able to learn a new technology in 2 weeks, isn't that valuable enough for a company ?

I learned java at school. My first job was programming in Dataflex. Totally different, yet they still hired me because of the flexibility to adapt. And logic is for most languages the same. It is just written different.

@metamourge only chance you have is maybe offer them 2-3 days of unpaid test working or step up your interview skills.

It’s been a while for myself but i went to the same situation. Jobless for 6 months and applied to 100+ companies. Went to countless talks, sometimes without even getting any feedback at all. I get pretty shot pay now but at least i have a job :). Pick up yourself keep getting at it. Keep learning. You’ll find yours!

I agree with the first reply.
Most companies would be open to hiring one more experienced dev. But a rookie requires more.

many companies feel it's only fair for rookies if they are put into a decent sized team with some senior devs that have time to help them.

The market can come and go quite randomly: One year we hired 2 rookies, each given a mentor (me included). The next year we had to split the team up, and since the new hires didn't feel experienced enough to become mentors - we couldn't bring in any more rookies.

@jiraTicket were you alive once ?