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FreezaPlanet419
7y

I hate my job. I am furious at my colleagues.

Last November I asked my colleagues (A and B) to help me learn to use something, let's call it Tool. They said okay and set a date for training. Next week they said that they had too much work to do so we'll​ have to postpone. And the next date was also postponed and the next one too, and so on.

Three months in,​ colleague C kept dicking around and being a complete jackass telling me that he refused to work with me for I don't use the Tool.
Not like I didn't want to learn to use the Tool, I simply couldn't. I have long before googled how to use the Tool but in no way can Google ever tell me about our own company workflow, our methods, habits and such.

I was furious, but I am also a the most fucking patient person ever so I let it slide. The Tool wasn't actually needed that much to do my job anyways. And I have known for a while that colleague C needed to push someone under him to feel good about himself.

A few more dates had been set but got cancelled for reasons.
Meanwhile both A and B started to look down on me for not knowing how to use the Tool. I started to feel depressed.

Today B held a "workshop" about the Tool. It took two hours. He was not prepared, had a hangover and generally had a hard time concentrating.
He used aliases that he set up only for himself to show the usage of the Tool instead of commands that a beginner would understand (or google). He kept mumbling and I hsd trouble understanding him. His lecture lacked direction and was all over the place.

I am devastated and furious. I had been waiting since November for this training and when the time actually came he pulled something out of his ass and called it a workshop.

I didn't even get answers for my questions.

Now I feel that I am actually in a worse position than before because while I still cannot use the Tool, they can tell me that there was a workshop and I should've paid closer attention.

I want to quit so bad.

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  • 8
    7y
    I would quit
  • 6
    7y
    It sounds like your teammates are setting you up to fail. How's management?
  • 3
    7y
    @starless We have an overladen PM who is treated as a secretary by my coworkers. And another PM trainee who is considered a softie and noone gives weight to his words.
    So basically I have noone to turn to.
    Today I tried to speak with our lead dev, but he wouldn't even look at me. I mean literally he wouldn't acknowledge me being there.
  • 2
    7y
    @wolt no, no documentation. No guides, nothing.
  • 1
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 I've had coworkers like that, too. It's awful and incredibly unprofessional. What is their boss/manager like?
  • 2
    7y
    @starless They do not have a manager who can hold them responsible. It is one of our written rules that our developers should only answer to our executive director who is always busy somewhere else.
  • 3
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 I think this issue is worth raising to him, but it could cost you your job.

    I wouldn't expect the situation to improve on its own, though. The director should know that his employees have been treating you unfairly/badly-- replacing developers can be difficult and costly, and if he doesn't fix the culture issue, they won't be able to keep anyone in your role.

    So do talk with them about it, but put together a backup plan first and maybe update your resume.
  • 3
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 alternatively, you can try to get through to the senior dev. Get them alone, off premises and ask him if this treatment is normal. Maybe be a little vulnerable and ask for his help.

    Make sure the rest of the toxic members aren't around, though. If I have an issue like this, I go out to lunch with them and talk on the way.

    He might take pity on you and do the right thing.

    You work with a bunch of assholes. 😰
  • 2
    7y
    Find somewhere where you're actually respected. This is the first of many disappointments.
  • 0
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 what were you hired as? Is Tool widely used in the industry or is it an internal Tool? I need answers here; this is an interesting problem.
  • 1
    7y
    So tool is not public? Do you have access to the source code?

    Figuring out wtf some internal code does is pretty much a daily problem for me and prolly a lot of devs
  • 1
    7y
    @billgates this is pretty much where I was going with this but if op was hired as a junior dev source might not be available or source might be outside of skillset.

    I can't imagine going 7 months seeing Tool used, hearing about Tool being used and not being able to figure out Tool, especially as it sounds pretty integral to daily operations.
  • 2
    7y
    @darkcode yea the only ppl I hear they need training are usually Support... And I usually go *facepalm* Some of the tools they n want training for... Are things they should know before they even get hired...
  • 3
    7y
    These guys doesn't deserve to work to you. You are trying, they are avoiding. They don't know how to teach, so, if you have an opportunity, get another job! :)
  • 4
    7y
    @darkcode @billgates I was hired as a content manager and I slowly transition into being a developer. That is why I had no knowledge about our tools when I got hired.
  • 2
    7y
    Release a worm a call it a day.
  • 0
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 Have u had any dev education at all? Why do u think you're being 'transitioned' to be a dev? Even if u are being 'transitioned', any tool is going to seem complex at this point, because u don't understand code theory. I get the sense the tool is WordPress or some other cms. That's the only thing that makes sense in this scenario to me bc most cms's tend to blur the line between job roles. How does one 'transition' a content mgr to a dev without a cms being involved?
    It also sounds like you're assuming what happens next without it having happened, which is a foundation for failure in itself.
    I dont condone the lack of structure or the unprofessionalism, but not every dev is nice, organized, professional or a good trainer. Being a good dev is hard. If u want to be a dev, read the docs, that's what devs do. Start the docs if none exist, devs do that too and with your experience as a content mgr, docs isn't a crazy stretch. If not, get a new job. Content mgrs r in demand.
  • 4
    7y
    @darkcode I managed multiple cms-es. Sitecore and WordPress mainly. One day our former lead dev decided that he'd teach me. He also had no formal education.
    First I learned to modify CSS for specific Sitecore pages. Because it has its own version control I couldn't mess it up. Then we went on to WordPress. It has been a year since.
    I got more and more task to challenge myself and learn.
    Now I am comfortable with editing and creating new PHP files and writing JavaScript.
    Please don't get it the wrong way. I don't call myself a dev. I do realise that I still have a long way to go. And whenever I encounter an issue greater than me I always ticket one of our devs.
    My rant was supposed to be about my frustration for being limited when I genuinely want to learn. My coworkers are amazing devs and their work inspires me. That is why it makes me so angry that they don't let me learn from them.
    I know that it'll take me years but I want to be like them. But they don't want me to be one of them.
  • 1
    7y
    @theScientist wasn't trying to pick a fight or be cruel. I actually skimmed down on my original comment to fit it in the char limit. I'm genuinely curious about this 'transitioning' though. What reputable company is transitioning content mangers to devs? If it's an internal tool, then I can see it being undocumented, which would require some level of education or theory to understand it. You don't just wake up one day and understand code. You learn the concepts, the theory, and practise. Any company knows this, which makes me curious as to who thinks they can 'transition' a content manager into a dev. Two different skill sets, two different ways of thinking through things, etc. Seems fishy and I call it like I see it.
  • 1
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 gatekeeping. :/

    You can do it, though. Consider asking management for training outside of work? Like, asking them to pay for a week-long PHP course, or something like that?

    If your coworkers won't teach you, maybe learn a new technology that you could teach them.

    Seriously, they're being jerks. Also, if freshman comp sci students call themselves 'developers', you can too. You are, after all, getting paid to do it.
  • 0
    7y
    @FreezaPlanet419 fair enough thanks for the explanation. Rant away and have the ++. Times like these, if you stick it out, make for really good interview answers to that 'describe a difficult situation and how you handled it' questions. Good luck.
  • 2
    7y
    @starless Thank you. I'll do just that. Maybe doing a week-long course would help me further my knowledge and to clear my head. There is too much going on right now.
    I'll also talk to our PM. He seems very supportive and without his help I would have never gotten this far.
    Thank you for your kindness and support. :)
  • 0
    6y
    Wow OMG I'm sorry actually because that sounds really..like hell. Well, I say that because I've been there. I was with a startup, but went down, down the rabbit hole and everything.. it starts spiraling inward and then there are people standing there shaking their heads.. you were set up.
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