So I finally tried Laravel... And fuck this shit, I'm going back to PHP...

the laracasts really help

But... Laravel is PHP...

Its hard at first... But I really love laravel!

@byoigres Yeah but weird and full of random virtualbox shit! I honestly think I got a bit too over my head too quick and ran for the hills

@fredrf maybe I should give it another go then

It is overwelming at first but laracasts helped me a bunch and, after you get the hang of tinker and the framework of how things should be done in laravel, you'll love it.
Most of the hard work can be streamlined in laravel and you can focus on the logic

@magis I heard the eloquent's ORM is great.

try silex its a microframework based on symfony2.

and yes. laravel makes me sad.

Try Slim 3 - I like it much better than Laravel.

Don't use vagrant, just setup your machine with wamp or lamp according to what you use. Once you know laravel you wouldn't like anything else.

@rjcrystal you should actually do the opposite. containerize your environment so that you arnt stuck in a single environment.... and you can destroy it when your done.

@mattwebdev you don't start with a big gun when you're learning. It's easier to use something you're familiar with. I focus on the simple use new technology rather than any special way of using it

im beginner in laravel but it seems to be great and excitement maybe you are stuck in installation.
try Laragon, it install laravel with two click

I had to learn php and laravel in 6 weeks and also complete a project.

The issue I had that it's so weird compared to a strict language. You can do stuff which a strict language will never let you do.

Example.
Return view('homepage')->with($errors)->with($users)->with($images);

And it will return a view with the 3 variables.

(easier way is
Return view('homepage', compact('errors', 'users', 'images')) ;
)

Also a nice realization is that array(something => else)
is the same as
[something => else]

I recommend this guide for learning to setup the models with relationships. It really helped me understand relations between the models which can be a tremendous help.
Https://scotch.io/tutorials/...

Just keep going and you'll figure it out.

Laravel is really cool. Started learning it like 2 weeks ago from laracasts and currently building a project with it 😀. The documentation is also fantastic

Coming from a guy that hatted laravel last month, it's the best thing ever for those who are working with php! Laracasts FTW

try zend framework first . You will feel better about Laravel....

its like saying I am done with Heroine going back to cocaine. Please don't do drugs and PHP

@magis VALET 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

He was not using PHP anymore, decided to try Laravel (PHP) and decided to use PHP again (with Laravel lovely).. It's pretty easy to understand

Best thing about Laravel is Eloquent ORM .... just made database operations simple and easy to use.

Laravel takes a while to get used to, but once you do - it will spoil you wit all the awesomesauce it offers. Probably the best php mvc framework today

@magis it's just a php framework. You can use whatever dev env you want to. You don't even have to use homestead.

Fuck Laravel ... Worst Framework Ever made . i spend lot of time on this shit .... Believe me those people are working on laravel who do not have sense what is man life ...come to php and enjoy daily life also .

Did you notice the environment variables on the debug page? Probably the first framework ever to do so :-)

When you're talking about virtualbox shit! I think you were trying to install Homestead :)))
Boy you don't need to install homestead to use laravel just use any local shit! ;)))))

PS: I'm using Laragon.

Jesus! Hate fucking laravel, what a piece of shit.
OMG, and if you want it worse try nova on top.
JESUS.

Every day feels like having my ass destroyed.