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In most of my experience formal schooling (university for me) teaches bad habits or plainly incorrect information, aside from a very few who teach and actively work in the real world.
In my eyes the piece of paper with high enough results is to show how well you commit yourself. But learn something outside that properly if you want a chance to impress me and show you can not be handfed knowledge. -
Oh man you know what is worse? Those unskilled idiots eventually get out and get amazing jobs. I know a bunch of them, can't tell the difference from a nix terminal or a windows command prompt but they sure af sport the "software engineer" title with pride. Hate that shit. Where I live we have this "camarada" system (camarada is Spanish for friend, slang for homie) in which regardless of how incompetent you are you will get a good paying job because you know people and I fucking hate it. So I decided to change shit from the inside. Lets see if these pendejos can do basic algorithms.
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@AleCx04 I feel it. I don't know if there's a type of people I resent more, tbh.
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@AleCx04 hahaha I put software engineer on my business card even though I'm first year of university. I just like the ring of it.
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Well the industry pays good money. If they can excel with minimal effort good for them. I don't know if this happens in other fields, but in software we do this thing where we demand you spend your free time essentially doing more work. I don't see why people aren't allowed to see this as just a job. If you enjoy spending your free time on side projects and learning and whatever that's good and you should keep at it. But don't look down on people just because they don't share your passion (That would make you difficult teammate). On a side note getting jobs is primarily a social skill you can't be focusing on other's focus on yourself (yes i realize it's a ranting app).
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Shoot me if you want, but i am not really into the whole personal project fade.
1. I tend to rack way to many hours in a project(yay OCD), trying to make it perfect
2. I dont have any brilliant ideas to create my own amazing project, if its done already, why reinvent de wheel.
3. If I work already and then go home to work some more, no thx. -
@tevyt I understand where you're coming from. I didn't mean people shouldn't pursue any things other than their "work-related focus" they would be interested in. I also don't see anything bad in developing social skills, and I did not mention these at all.
The key point of my rant was, if you don't like it, why make it your job? Why come to workspace every day and suffer, possibly for the rest of your life? Why put a burden of being completely uninterested on your coworkers?
In my opinion, presence of personal projects is like a little test for a person to see whether the job makes them happy or braindead by the end of the day. I agree one might not have time if they have a job, but they definitely had it in college.
You mentioned that software engineering often requires staying overtime -- and I completely agree, I'd also be up to something other than coding after that. But, once again, the point is: if you like what you do, even overtime shouldn't make you exhausted. -
@Cronaut I see where some of what I said may not have come across as intended.
The "we" I meant when I said we demand spending our free time on projects was "we" as a community. It's sort of like you're not a real developer if you don't spend your free time engrossed in some aspect of the community. I didn't mean to imply you have to spend all your free time, but I can understand someone doing development as a 9-5 with no further interest. As for the part about social skills this wasn't a direct reply to you another ranter mentioned these types of people getting big jobs and such. You can talk your way into a job that's how it is. I just meant to focus on your own goals and not worrying about others -
@tevyt Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.
To be clear, I am annoyed not because these people are who they are. More because of their influence on me and the work environment.
when your code is a mess but everything work out in the end
It changed my life, really. 😁
I honestly don't understand people who genuinely believe formal schooling will cover all the basics they need to know to do a real-life job, and still get barely passing grades on all relevant subjects.
I genuinely don't understand people who copy GitHub projects to pass classes, and graduate from a university with goddamn StackOverflow instead of a brain.
Whom I understand even less are people who don't do anything major-related on their spare time.
I mean, change your fucking major, do what you actually like, do things that actually light your nuts with passion.
Please don't waste my time pretending you are in it not just because it's potentially well-paid and "cool".
Please don't waste my time being my coworker.
Yes, I'm looking at you, trendy wanker with a CS degree and no personal projects.
P.S. Junior here. Yes, I'm full of hatred for all the "real programmers" in the industry out there. I hoped for a better experience.
P.S.S. I mean absolutely no offense to people using either GitHub or StackOverflow outside of the aforementioned context.
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