@PonySlaystation ALSO speaking my language. K8s is actually *really* good at what it does. You just better be damn sure your application needs it for what it does and not somebody's resume.

Speaking my language.

@Demolishun They often volunteer that stuff right off the bat.

But also, I’m not asking for interview help, I’m asking the community how people respond/feel when they’re interviewing at an org where several of the most important people in the line of management are brand new to the company just because I’m curious about experiences outside of the ones I’ve had.

@stackodev I’ve googled things on interview tests before, it’s not like this is an unchangeable law of “how it’s done”. If they want a 15m pair coding exercise, but forbid the use of a quick Google to sanity check syntax or structure, then it’s not very representative of the every day developer experience either, is it?

Aside from the aspect of “I have other things to do than spec-work” of take homes, I dislike the imbalance of the company getting to evaluate and scrutinize your technical chops based on turned in work but you don’t get to evaluate that of the people you’re going to maybe possibly work with if hired.

That’s my main reason for preferring in situ pair coding exercises over take homes if I absolutely had to make a choice of the two.

They still suck, but I’d rather do a quick coding test on the interview than ever deal with another take home assignment.

Which is the fastest way to get rid of me as a candidate.

@localpost it’s not a wild idea. Ranted about this prior but the role I’m in is MUCH different than literally everything we discussed during the interviews and I asked some very pointed questions about responsibilities and daily duties.

Even more frustrating is that early on in the process I was given the option which team I wanted to interview with out of two that had similar openings. I chose this one over the other, which had hard requirements the manager wouldn’t budge from that would have immediately disqualified me.

Well. Found out the requirements no longer apply since the company is retiring a few systems in favor of one that I know I could have aced in an interview.

At this point my options are try to transfer, or just suck it up and stick with this until I can find an exit

VoIP microservice? Tell me more about this (if you can). I spent hella long time in telecom

/usr/lib ?

@melezorus34 The devil is a lie?

But uh that should have been “FROM on high”.

Of course if boss ordered me to get high, well, jokes on him. I’m always high.

@Root I mean it has valid purposes and valid circumstances where simply speaking up when you know someone is being wronged but lacks the institutional or localized power to have their grievances heard, and can benefit from “strength in numbers” or whatever.

What’s frustrating though is offense taking without any attempt to earnestly tackle the offending behavior without trying to “summon” the person supposedly being offended against to make you look good by validating your vicarious offense taking (general you, not YOU you, @root. I’ve seen your rants, you’re good peoples lol)

Like if you know what just happened was wrong, comment on it for the wrongness perceived because you actually think it’s wrong. Not because you’re out here trying to find the right moment to invoke your relationship with whatever community or affinity group. That ain’t what we’re here for.

But that’s just my overly opinionated take.

I’ve had people do this on my behalf as a brown man. One time someone did it and asked me to chime in with them and I responded in front of God and the entire Zoom call

“Don’t ask me, you’re the one who chose to be offended, you’re gonna be the one to figure out why that is without my black ass doing the work for you”.

@arginine yeah I have so SO **SO** many questions about that finale.

That was one hell of an amazing cliffhanger.

Oracle lawful good? Lmao

That’s not lazy, that’s good engineering.

You’re not my real dad. *unpauses*

@dIREsTRAITS …yes? That’s why I asked if you’ve looked at veracrypt or another whole disk encryption tool that supports gpg but doesn’t necessarily requires a windows os

@dIREsTRAITS have you considered something like gpg as an alternative? Take a gander at veracrypt.

The sauce is under the cheese?

@Hazarth re: social I have a friend (let’s call him Jimmy) that is horrendous about this-and in general is an insufferable knowitall. In a twisted kind of way I take amusement when I see it happening if we’re out among peers.

Like the time they tried to argue with our attorney friend about some legal definitions, got absolutely schooled on the topic, and spent the rest of the night sulking. Attorney friend changed the topic and went out of his way to not talk to Jimmy the rest of the night.

Jimmy is a med school dropout by the way, and has gotten into debates with lawyers, pilots and engineers about their professions and routinely gets slapped back down when he tries making up definitions and then accusing people of “you’re not hearing MY point tho, I use that word this way” and getting told “okay, literally no one else does so what IS your point?”

@sariel Yes. I heard someone say Kubernetes was the new VMWare yesterday and I wanted to eat my router.

@sariel See that’s why I’m of two minds here. On the one hand yeah I can (and already made plans to) automate much of these -ops chores, on the other hand once I show I can deliver on it you know what’s gonna (and has commonly) happen?

“Hey since you did that one thing really well we’re gonna just make you the guy for all of it and everything that looks like it”

Which is why I suspect my predecessor left and why I need to make it clear it’s not what I have any interest in doing otherwise buh bye.

@IntrusionCM Yeah end of the month is first official 1:1 with boss (we’ve had a couple these first two weeks just to check in during my onboarding and all that jazz) where I plan to bring it up and do the whole “what would you say I’m doing here” song and dance.

@sariel me before I wake up baby me after I wake up and have to deal with the rest of the world 😂

You’re thinking of NFT’s

Software Development Engineer in Test. Basically the new word for QA.

Role was billed as lots of unit tests, much automation, plus platform and API performance testing.

First two weeks instead have been apt-get and updating cron jobs

Which. I mean. I guess it’s the platform but…🤷‍♂️

Also I may have mistapped but this shouldn’t have gone under joke/meme.

Honest to Bob I’m sleeping a LOT better.

I had a very non-technical manager at last job.

Decent guy, good convos when people are still trickling into a call, but come time for standups, planning meetings postmortems or retros and we start getting into what needs to be done about…well our actual work?

Whooooo boy.

@eptsousa One of those “different strokes/different folks” moments I suppose.

For me I’m at the point of feeling that having someone watching along isn’t *preferred* (at least not daily, for an interview it’s fine) but I don’t necessarily mind it either. More chances to find out from someone else how I can get find out where I can better and skill up (of course that’s not always a guarantee the person you’re paired with is the kind of person who can even help with that, but nonetheless I always appreciate a second pair of eyes on what I’m doing)

Indeed. On the one hand I completely understand the want and need to vet out people coming to work for you, on the other hand take home assignments are not the way to do it IMO.

Best assessments I had were over zoom, pair programming style, open ended, casual and conversational.

You know, the way you’d actually expect to work daily with these people?

Good luck to you though!

Oh my friend if you thought SWE interviewed were all made up and the questions don’t matter wait til you see some of the other shit that goes on in devops and SRE interviews beyond what you just experienced.

For every fizzbuzz test given to coders there like 5 “create a k8s infrastructure or helm chart for a microservice” test given to us ops people.

And you know what I send them? A pre made GitHub repo I created specifically for job interview “assessments” and set to private, fork when needed that spins up a static website application that when you browse to the url says “your technical assessment is shit”.