What's worse than programming in php?

programming in php on Windows

What's worse than getting used to a Unix environment and programming on windows? Nothing.

true that!
Unix is love

@namithubot unix is life
(I just had to...)

As a full time php dev i'd love to know what people have against php. Sure, it was crap 10 years ago, the method naming is all over the place BUT if you're using any of the modern mvc frameworks (and you should) you deal with framework methods anyway.

I've been using laravel for a while now and comparing it to c# and entitiy framework some of my coleagues use and even they admit it looks like they made it exactly the sam feature wise.

I'm really curious because so far i haven't had a single issue with php web dev or a request i couldn't do with ease

gvim works, plus there's vagrant

@Skipp How many times did you have to maintain old php legacy code?

@Skipp that's because most didn't bother staying up to date in PHP and still have the picture of a 12-year-old coding half-assed PEAR packages in their minds.

That being said: Good luck that you never have to maintain legacy code because that still is messy. Other than that: Any modern PHP codebase is perfectly fine.

Been using php on Windows for 10 years now, it's not as bad as you make it out.

I don't get it. Why is programming in PHP in Windows bad? I run a dual boot but my windows has xampp installed for a quick dev environment.

Because it's php, and I have bad memories of php. I use 4 operating systems every day, (Win7/10, OSX, Debian, Android) and Windows blows.

@kevbost Windows does blow. I've had to deal with my fair share of bs with legacy code for ie8. I prefer my Ubuntu but PHP isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I see you are mainly a front end dev so maybe a CMS did you wrong but it is a decent language if done right.

@donkeyScript That's exactly what happened, I got fed up with WordPress years before i decided to go into development. I think the same thing probably happened to a lot of people.

Wordpress sucks. Anyone who calls themselves a Wordpress developer should be drawn and quartered.

Can someone help me setup WAMP so I can install this cool Joomla template?

@load2xquotes yup. That makes a valid point. Luckily I only had to do it once and it's a totally different world compared to using any of the newer php frameworks.

I'm well aware of the eyebleeds caused by looking at old code but winforms cause the same side effects once you need to modify something with frontend for example. Bajillion random string classes or sometimes the fact they even dont exist.

Then again - one can't judge something based on legacy stuff.

@Skipp I do a fair bit of php dev myself, but most our code is ~5 years old. stuff has been hacked on since. My gripe with it? Fucking spaghetti code. It just allows far to many coding errors imo. I know laravel etc migitates a lot of those flaws, but that doesn't mean the code I maintain doesn't suck donkey balls.

@krylor try dev'ing on another stack, ( or better yet from Linux too ) then tell me that again. Sure you can set your shit up so it's, "not that bad." doesn't mean it still doesn't suck when compared to other setups. I've done the whole lamp stack thing, yeah it's not "that bad," but it's not "that good" either. Try something new, fall in love all over again

PHP is easier to use on windows, at least for newbies.

so true