That moment that someone collapses right in front of you and you have no idea of what to do. (Thank God there were people who knew exactly what to do around)

I'm going to take an first aid workshop/course thingy as soon as possible.

Yikes!

Sounds intense. Hope everyone is alright. Why don’t they teach more of THAT in school?!?

@DeveloperACE It was actually a girl of like 12 years old or something, scary as hell

Having a tough day. 🍀🍀🍀 All the best.

Mmh it certainly isn't a fun experience.

Have a ++ for your trauma :p

Thank goodness bystander affect didn't happen. That would really suck.

Statistically the chance something like that will ahppen around you become a lot smaller now.

Do you know why she collapsed?

@Codex404 not entirely how stats work. take the big lottery for example, if you win then sure, you can feel pretty confident you won’t win again in your lifetime. But if you play again your odds of winning are no different (all else being equal). The thing there is the odds were against winning to begin with, statistically speaking, but you got lucky. Now take dollar scratchers, every time you play you also have the same odds each play, no different. But on the dollar lotto it’s common to win small amounts back to back, because winning once or 10 times never changes the odds of your next play, so things can cluster and yet still average out. I don’t know the odds of something bad like this happening, but it’s somewhere between those two examples... It likely won’t happen tomorrow again, but if the odds are that it could happen even just a couple more times in a lifetime it wouldn’t be at all surprising if it happened again soon; nor would it be a statistical anomaly.

A first aid course is a really good idea, it's really reassuring when you're in the situation to know what to do.

Also, they don't cost that much. The ones in Germany are 20-40€, mostly if you're not doing it as a training on the job.

Here in Germany you have to take a first aid course before you can get your driver's licence.

@404response Well... my teacher skipped that for me. Except of... I already did a first aid course in elementary school. There they gave me such a "license". Guess what? I got straight to my license by just showing my 10 year old license hahaha.

@gitpull xD

you could've slacked me and ask what to do. (just kidding)
A first aid course is always a good idea.

I take a course every two years. I do voluntary work with kids and have some licenses in sports which require such courses. I didn't really need them til now, but it's good for me to know what I have to do in theory :)

@agaskins I don't think I agree with your analysis it sounds like you are treating each event to be separate but this is actually a conditional probability problem. In that having the knowledge that someone has seen a trauma what are the chances that same person views another trauma is not the same probability as witnessing a trauma. I could be wrong but I have a feeling you cannot treat the possibilities as separate events

Two weeks ago I was in the cinema. After the movie was over I noticed a mid-aged women beside me sunken into her chair. She really looked unnatural, even limp. I tried to wake her up and it didn't work. I was a bit scared but couldn't believe she'd died. I graped her arm to get her pulse and noticed she still had one. Then I shook her and she woke up at last. Such a relief. It was the first time for me to encounter such a thing and I'm happy she's allright

@Axis it's true that it probably wont happen back to back... just because you experience event that occurs with a probability of x doesn't mean that the value of x now changes, but it's not true that you are less likely to experience something on any give day just because you experienced it already. We feel like it should, but it isn't like this. It's the reason Apple had to famously change their shuffle. The problem was that users were filing bug reports that the shuffle feature often played songs too often, played songs from the same album together, etc... but this was actually how it was designed, to be truly random (well, as random as possible). They solved the issue by making a pseudo-random algorithm, then saying 'we made it less random so it would feel more random'. Sure, it seems like it likely will not happen again tomorrow, but that is actually *because* the probability hasn't changed, not in spite of it.

@Axis I'm not completely sure we're really saying anything that different though, I mean, I agree it isn't likely to happen again tomorrow, but I just don't agree that the probability of the event happening again in his presence has changed at all just because it occurred once. It's just as likely to happen again as it was the first time, therefore I don't think @Codex404's comment comment (while it does seem to make sense at in a kind of intuitional way) would be a good deciding factor to NOT learn more first-aid. I enjoy this, I'm not trying to argue so please don't take it that way :) And my logic is certainly not infallible... Not to make light of the original post, but I just find this sort of thing fun to discuss (the stats, not the scary incident!!!). Which, btw, do we know if the kid's okay? Or is there just no connection to follow up on?

@Michelle It was more like the whole bus (it was on a bus) jumped in to help, that's why I stepped aside really so others could help.
I kinda feel bad about not helping but I have never done first aid...

@linuxxx
You helped by not acting :)
It's better to stay out of the way and make room for others, especially when you're not trained.
So good job!

@agaskins I indeed wasnt saying you shouldnt learn first aid.

I was just making a statistics joke which I also make after a airplane crash or terrorist attack.
The safest place to be is the place where there has been a recent terrorist attack, looking at statistics the chance is relatively small that there will be another terrorist attack at the exact same place.

@Codex404 I didn’t mean for it to sound that way, I just meant that you were implying what you said, that it’s less likely to happen again because it already happened. At least I think that’s the gist of it. Sorry about making it sound standoffish, I really didn’t intend that. I had even ++’d your comment haha. This is all meant in good fun and the pursuit of truth :)

@agaskins I see what you're saying but I do think that when you see it like that it is then understood that they are unrelated events and maybe they are but for some reason I just cannot fully come to agree with that. I think it would be more like if the chance of this happening once is 1/5 the chance of encountering it twice would be 1/25. And a debate isn't an argument so you're good :) I like talking about this stuff too, makes me think. as you said as well I'm sure that my logic may very well be flawed

@Codex404 not always. I had to do cpr once and thought I'd be ok. Came across 2 more situations requiring it after that...

@QueenMorgana Here in vienna we have an app that is called "Lebensretter" (= Livesaver) - the concept of that app is quite easy. In case the emergency call takers at the ambulance service assume that this case could be a resuscitation a push notification with the coordinates of this case is sent out to all users of this app. If you are in a 400m radius, you'd then be notified by the app that there could be someone who might need a CPR.
In combination with First Responders at the Police (who also have a dafibrillator on every police car) you can reduce the time without proper treatment and since the project was started it has saved several lives.

Originally only Paramedics / EMTs were eligible to sign up for that app but they've opened it up a bit and now pretty much everyone who has a valid first aid course can sign up to it, as well as doctors.

Since I signed up for that Service (which was last summer) I've had 7 cases where one really was a CPR (and we really saved that person's live as the EMTs took "quite" (10 minutes after we arrived) long to find the place) and I was on the site two times after the EMTs already arived.

@dsteiner with how quick Americans like to sue, I'm not sure they'll ever trust people with something like this.

We have a Good Samaritan law that protects people from litigation while helping wounded people (more complex, but I'm paraphrasing) because so many people sued with the argument: he hurt my back while pulling me out of my burning car... My back wouldn't hurt if he had just left me.

@QueenMorgana Mother of god, that's fucking redicilous!

@linuxxx right? I just learned Canada has it, too. Nice to know it's not just us.

I just know there was a case where someone pulled a dude from a car that was under risk of going up in flames. Dude was paralyzed, and tried to blame the rescuer, rather than the crash.

@QueenMorgana Over here the judges would just be (towards the guy blaming the saver) like: GTFO and be glad you're still alive, cocksucker!

@linuxxx tbf, it also protects against "wrong full death." so if the dude still does in the process, rescuer is protected.

**does not protect against murder disguised as wrongful death**

@QueenMorgana unless its disguised well enough.