Week : 57 ( Year 1 )

How is your weekend going?

If you were paid equally for all jobs, which job would you choose?

Previous Week : https://devrant.com/rants/11216312

Sleeping

Still coding, financial devs are a cancer.

Weekend is fine, dissapointed many people won't review my Monty Hall problem source. It's the only one giving 50% as output, but people are even to lazy to beat you down these days. Where dem real nerds at

@retoor What's wrong with financial devs?

@donkulator doing smth pure for money while not caring about code can lead to producing of bad code. Not a golden rule ofc

@retoor actually I admire financial devs

math devs write bad code for no reason. that part doesn't make sense. those make me angry

finance devs at least make sense. and I really suck at caring about goals, so they're so inspirational to me. I hope it rubs off eventually on me

I'd probably be a janitor or a stock moving person or something. sounds relaxing

I've considered being a security guard in the past for real. or like some receptionist at a motel middle of nowhere

I'm sure those jobs would have their own bullshit but in my head they currently don't. maybe they have their own bad parts though to a point I'd feel stressed even there due to dumb unnecessary shit

I chose tech over art cuz people said there's no money in art. I don't have the disposition for art I think though, like I never built the confidence. I think I run into the same issue with game development. I think what I like won't be what others like, so I just get discouraged. maybe the name of the game is something different? or maybe that's me wrapping myself up inappropriately somehow. to me art was always what I liked though, and especially the older I get people seem to be more numb to those finer things, kind of spiritual, human things. maybe it's the change in culture overall

@jestdotty yeah, I've heard that about math devs too. But Linus Torvalds and Maarten van Rossum are both good in math. Though, Linus has said never had to use advanced math building the kernel. I was bit surprised, i thought at certain moment you would have to someway

@jestdotty ooeeh, receptionist in some hotel, i would be scared to be bored to death.

I once thought to be become a snackbar owner, but that was actually pure financial -> I do see how much 5,- and 10,- goes over the counter on certain days. They hide it quite well - but i think a snackbar makes quite some money. Working few hours hard, Opening late daily. Not open that long. Closed on Monday...

Closed on Monday is very common for 'restaurants' in NL. Heh, I would've stayed open on Monday's. Being one of the few must cash smth.

But I also don't want that, because they have quite boring moments too

@retoor naw in programming there's very little math. Luke basically never. unless you're making something specific and insane

sometimes I'd run into those problems and my roomie is a math major, but he never helps. really have a hatred of math people

@retoor I love being bored!

plus technically the reason I wanted to be a security guard is cuz I could think of my code or even code and then go on regular walks. like it's literally the perfect job

and I'm not scared of things, I love being awake at night, I love it when nobody is around, weird creepy places

though security guards seem stupid. I'm fitter than all of them lmao. I don't know why they're always fat. also I'm definitely curious about EVERYTHING. and I don't fear harassing people and getting in their face so confronting suspicious people sounds fun

@jestdotty they're probably fat because of standing and doing literally nothing during work all the time. We devs at least move our hands, do circles with our rotating chair and walk 8 times a day to coffee machine and often throw a paper airplane

@jestdotty @retoor

11 year security guard and bodyguard here.

What jestdotty says is mostly spot on. (Can even bring the laptop and actually code, but you probably need night shift on a remote place for that).

The fat guard, very much like the fat cop, is an American stereotype. You get fired if you are obese. We also have to pass regular fitness tests, which, mind you, aren't specially hard, but fat people wouldn't complete. We do not walk 8 times to the coffee machine. A round can easily be 2 km in some places, and we are required to do 8 at least.

As for not being afraid, well, let's save that until you actually are on the job. The first night shifts you do on your own are always a bit unnerving (there's a lot of darkness and noise in a shut down factory).

Also, better not have phobia to any kind of insect/arachnid/animal cuz you'll meet many.

As for math in programming, sure there's not much in systems programming, further that your typical DSA, but if you go into shit like graphics programming or rendering or what have you, you better have your algebra and geometry up to date.

Oh how many juniors I've had stuck because SM2 didn't have a library function to compute vector/plane reflection, and it's just a cross product, a dot product and a rotation...

@CoreFusionX No way, on the side or as full time job? Is programming your side thingy? I consider you too knowledgeable for that. Would be amazing

@retoor

Tho I work as sysadmin, I'm actually an astrophysicist and lab technician.

I always had the "engineer mind" I guess, and I like to describe it as being born too late to be earth explorer, and too early to be space explorer, so I settled for "cyberexplorer" if you know what I mean.

Learned C with 7 years, and the rest is history.

I did my two degrees back to back, and during that time I worked as security guard. (Started as sec guard at 16 tho).

It was cool because as mentioned I got loads of "free" time just to think and play around with tech stuff.

I left the secguard job 9 years ago, worked for a VR company for the next 7 years, and then as freelancer for the last two.

@CoreFusionX your resume must look awesome and raise many eyebrows. I did qbasic around that age, bit later discovered pascal but didn't do much with it. I was early with C too but it was too hard on first attempt - did not have a decent reference and even then - i couldn't do english yet i guess. Coding came earlier.

I'm officially sysadmin but didn't want to do it as job. With some god complex I applied to a few companies but second one already hired me. I had to learn much more than i could ever expect. Learning OOP was fun. I had a collegue next to me, my kinda mentor. I was like "Even this thing an object?". He: "EVERYTHING AN OBJECT!!". And so i've learned to write very consistent OOP. No exceptions. BAM. I did work in outsourcing on site at many customers for quite some years. It was quite heavy, but you meet great different programmers. Prolly best way to learn after education. Also interesting to have seen so many companies on inside, learning there's not one way to go

Another potential perk of the job is that, if you get lucky with your post, you can learn a variety of skills.

In my case, for example, I learned mechanics from the group of on call mechanics at the factory. Just by watching and asking.

Worked wonders for me, and for them since from then on I could take care of 90% of mechanical issues and they wouldn't have to make the trip on site.

Same with electrical groundwork, from watching my colleagues do it at venues for events.

In the end, I guess all of those give you a set of skills and mindset that can make you a better, and definitely more hireable, dev.

For specific instances, things like saving an installation because the machine has some cables damaged when unloaded from the truck, and all it took was some soldering. Sure, it started one hour late, but started. Client was happy, we got paid and we were happy.

Why was I in that event if I'm a dev?

Because

- I was fit enough (thanks to sec guard) to actually being able to help load/unload/move the machinery.

- I have driving license (again sec guard) for semis and trucks.

- I had knowledge about electricity and electronics to do basic field repairs.

- Used to working complete shifts standing up or on uncommon hours.

And of course, if there was something tech related, could solve it on the go.

If you can do all that, you quickly become indispensable, and on top of that, you can easily leverage some of the money the company saves with you, into your own pocket.

@retoor

Nah, not really.

Considering most of my work is proprietary, can't really show examples.

I do have, however, a long list of successful events all around the world that I took part in.

And what that gives you is networking really.

Now that I'm freelance I get calls from people I've met in different events when they have trouble with something, because you built a rep for actually solving problems, and not causing them.

Farmer!!

@CoreFusionX I also worked international. If I ever would consider to start my own company, I have a few who would instantly join. I liked travel for work way may more than regular (summer) vacation. On day doing what i love, in the evening and weekends whatever you want. Mostly going out for good dining. Clubs also. Only winter sports i like more. Skiing.

@retoor

The small print is that for international trips, they must give you at least 2 days before and 2 days after the "working" days.

I exploited the shit out of that.

It was fun too because, usually, I'm rather frugal with money that's not mine, and would spend the bare minimum, and pay outta my own money for beers and such.

Until our CFO scolded me telling me that it was money that was already written off and paid by the client. As long as I could produce reasonable receipts, I could do as I wished.

When I was sent to Japan, it was for 7 days (3 working days), and we were given 3k euros for each, just for expenses (hotel and trip was already paid for).

I don't even know what to do with more than 400 euros a day.

Ended up abusing the shinkansen to use our free 3 days to go places (Kyoto, Tokyo, Osaka...)

Was a fun thing that trip too, because I was originally not slated to go, and the CEO comes by my desk one day like.

- "You must be excited, right?"
- "What for?"
- "Durr, you're going to Japan, and you've always wanted to go!"
- "I'm not in the manifesto for that event."
- "Why, wha-, hold on...".

I could hear the screams from the meetings room...

"Are we so retarded that we have an activation (event) in Japan and don't send the one person in the company that speaks Japanese?!!"

"But we already have everything tested and didn't want to add extra expenses, if something happens, he can assist remotely, besides, we have a translator"

"The translator is not with you 24/7, what if something happens at some other time? I don't care, he goes, if you need justification, just put 'just in case'."

And that's how I went to Japan.

Sure enough, the just in case worked because one day we had to set up a second venue while attending the first, and the translator couldn't be in two places...

@CoreFusionX haha yes, exaclty. I was send to places cheaper than NL so i didn't care much about the expenses I made myself either. Also, I traveled for two companies and for both I had hearth. I invested a lot of time in both of them. But that's just what i do. And always got rewarded for doing the extra mile. Heh, had nothing else to do. Wiiii

and I'm over here where the company I had sent people on 12 hour unpaid flights and couldn't even pay for more than 2 beers at happy hour smh

@jestdotty

Well, what I said before, I don't know if it's Spanish, European union or international law (guessing the second).

Also (again I don't know if applicable) they are required to cover your food expenses. Drinks could fit there no prob if you just have them during dinner in the worst case...