When you’re counting calories, there is nothing more satisfying than eating a bit less than normal every day and watching thermodynamics in her firm inevitability shaving pound after pound off your scales number.

It’s comforting to know that if you’re not losing weight that way, the laws of thermodynamics will have to be rewritten. That ain’t gonna happen any time soon, so you can’t not lose weight.

I've been eating 3k calories a day for months and I've never been skinnier (since 12 years old I guess), zoinks!

calories is a lie

@jestdotty are you sure you're counting them right? Also, if you're burning a lot of calories, this can explain it

When you're 56kg on top of 6'1 counting calories is blasphemy and so I count sodium and carbohydrates

@kobenz I’m 20 kilos overweight

@kiki I am not. I've even stopped doing daily walks months ago, and all I do is sit at home all day and go down the street 20 meters to a grocery store every 2 days

poison food slows down metabolism I think. and I had a health issue that had to do with metabolism before... before this I was eating 700 calories a day and was actually overweight a bit and it baffled me. seems the chemistry in your body has more to do with weight than any notions about calories. when i was sick and eating 700 calories a day I was confused because in the past if I reduced calories below 1200-1500 I would become skinny, but at that time I would be turning blue in 10c weather and also overweight and not losing weight. now I can handle -10c again without feeling like I'm gonna die. hellyeah

but also I've never eaten so many calories before in my damned life lol. what you're eating seems to have more to do with it

also I'd lose weight pretty rapidly if I ate strong anti oxidants. magic trick!

What does this have anything to do with thermodynamics? If you want to explain it with physics, I‘d say you can explain with the laws of (energy) conservation.

But it would make more sense to explain it with biology since that emerges from physics.

@Lensflare https://youtu.be/mTABw0EyIWY

@kiki I‘m not watching a 25 minutes video which probably doesn’t even answer my question that I asked you, judging by the title and the first few seconds.

@jestdotty "calories is a lie"

or maybe you just do not have an understanding of how "metabolism" works.

which, to be blunt, is far more likely than the alternate cases of "you're a thermodynamic impossibility" or "the whole of human history only exists to scam you specifically"

@Lensflare They both emerge from maths, along with everything else.

I recommend to watch the movie "Thinner". It reveals the best method for eating as much as you want and still losing weight.

@donkulator well, math is not actually science of nature as physics, chemistry and biology is. It‘s some kind of science of structure. In math we study the consequences of made up rules and we are interested in those rules which turn out to be useful in science of nature (so, those which correspond to reality).

There is also a theory that the universe is fundamentally mathematical but that‘s very controversial.

So, IMO no, physics and biology do not emerge from math.

@Lensflare bulimia?

@Lensflare https://xkcd.com/435/

@Lensflare "The first law of thermodynamics states that, when energy passes into or out of a system (as work, heat, or matter), the system's internal energy changes in accordance with the law of conservation of energy. "

or in other terms: the whole topic IS the thermodynamic application of the law of convervation of energy.

@tosensei ouch.

> the whole of human history only exists to scam you specifically

While I too notice dotty's tendency to actively distrust everything that has something to do with physics, medicine and science in general, please refrain from bashing her so hard under my rants. Thanks!

@donkulator yes, maths is the purest of the fields but it‘s very distinct from those on the left.

The point still holds: those fields don‘t emerge from math.

@tosensei fair enough.

@Lensflare counter perspective:

those fields emerge from the particular subset of math that is suitable to describing the phenomena that those fields are trying to describe.

it's all just "math, but with context"

@tosensei still no. They don‘t emerge from it. They use it as a tool.

Starting to exercise and avoiding bad food is easier than I thought. For me, it started with exercise, then it got more intense, and eventually it started to affect my diet. I have to sort of rewire myself when I am trying to bulk, but I’ve gotten used to it.
It’s all about lifestyle changes and self control. I found that exercise served as a way to discipline yourself, which in turns makes it easier to control your diet. In my case anyway.

The hard part isn't eating less. The hard part is controlling your response to hunger. That's ingrained and requires training.

@lungdart what's your technique? does it work?

@jestdotty might be worth checking the blood glucose numbers?

@BadFox no the doctors only check me for pregnancy, cuz that's their level of competency. I did a partial medical degree once til I switched out cuz I thought it was a waste of money, if that helps you. wasn't my idea anyway. my mom wanted me to be a doctor cuz I had good marks

anyway I'm in a good place now with my health issues and metabolism. just saying. after 3 years of research while dying. so I'm gonna be arrogant about it considering. even though I've never really been fat or had weight issues, my diet before I got sick was pretty good also. also didn't exercise. poison makes you fat simply. and now I have proof of it because I got poisoned really bad when I got sick and couldn't eat more than 700 calories a day and was overweight in BMI which was baffling

@tosensei instead of being snide you should say where I'm misinterpreting how metabolism works. otherwise it's just boring and wasting time

@kiki for hunger control? Best bet is to shrink the stomach (not sure if it actually shrinks or it's a hormone thing).

When you have that inspiration, eat 5 small plates of mostly protein a day. After a few days to a week. the hunger gets better.

You can motivate yourself to get through the first hump with daily weigh ins and checking yourself out in the mirror.

I find after 3 weeks I've lost 15 to 20 lbs but the hunger comes back around then and slowly fall back into old habits, but by then I'm at my desired weight

@lungdart wow! So how do you avoid gaining all the weight back?