I just want to express that...

I
LOVE
PROPERLY
DOCUMENTED
KNOWLEDGE

Because I had worked on a project 1 year ago, and with the other projects I had done in the mean time, picking this back up would be challenging. And guess what! I still have my comprehensive manual I wrote for it in detail! Beautiful! Everything neatly written, everything explained, every field, every troubelshooting issue!

I managed to solve every setup issue in seconds! Aah! Aah! Scream for joy. lol

yeah I noticed nobody appreciated my documentation itch until I'm gone and then I become some kind of mythical saint

listen it doesn't only help me. idiots.

kicker is when people make fun of you. I don't care what you say. I'm not gonna be mired in confusion. fuck your "system" or its lack of. wow I'm annoying when I work, but I'm fucking effective and you're a judgemental prick, stupid no less! *unexpected venting*

@jestdotty Or when you write documentation and no one cares to read it and continue in their old, stupid ways.

I've had to work a few places where their official stance was that I'll have to learn on the job. It's maddening because that restricts your ability to learn the job only to work hours and if you want to be good at it, that's not enough time.

I've had to implement some apis over the years that while technically complete, their documentation was definitely written by the people most familiar with it for other people familiar with it, leaving the poor saps that have to use it to their own devices.

@cuddlyogre Finally someone who says it - learning on the job during job hours is not enough! They should do away with that stupid bureaucracy. When things are less about money, things go better. Let developers learn 24/7! Things will move much, much faster and people will be happier.

Yeah, tell me about it. Developers that never write down anything and only keep the information in their heads. And if there is documentation, it's indeed written that way.

idk what the problem of learning on the job is. that's the only valid form of learning?

issue is when they refuse to expose me to stuff then suddenly want me to know everything about it. um how. what am I, psychic

I also don't want people to just tell me how something works... that doesn't make sense. people suck with words. just let me mess with it

@jestdotty reply[0] = No, it's of course not the only valid form of learning. It has the pitfall of reinforced learning of incorrect methods.

Let us think about what might be wrong with that form of learning:

- not enough time to internalize the knowledge

- bothered too often

- suboptimal environment (I don't like being in an environment where I know people are in the same building I am, even if it's an isolated office)

- I can't be myself

- Real research and absorption requires the strong forming of connections and that can only happen when you study the fundamentals, practice them and get feedback from a (friendly!) expert

- Jobs often want you to do too many different things simultaneously and don't encourage studying

@jestdotty reply[1] =

I simply don't learn on the job because I need academic pre-study time. My philosophy is that of a doctor - I need the full set of information and I won't do with just scratching the surface or lollygagging about it in the office. Yes, the refusal of access and then demanding expertise - I know that one too. It's bool = sheet;

I learn best from books and self-reinforced learning, together with the help of a knowledgeable tutor or friend. That's the best way for me.

ok so it's like feeling overwhelmed

@jestdotty That is correct.