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@AlpineLinnix Sorry but this is just plain ridiculous.
Settings in the official settings menu do not work so I have to install an unofficial editor and fiddle around with the settings there?
Also I just found out that my CPU is running constantly at full speed. Which just means the power saving is not working.
And you are trying to tell me that I am the problem?
I had these problems with basically every distro I have ever used. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Manjaro, ZorinOS, Elementary, CentOS, OpenSuse...
Just to name a few I now remember.
Every single one of them had complete deal breaking flaws.
Go figure why windows is being used so much over linux. It has its problems but it works at least.
I will try Arch now. Probably the only one I did not try by now. -
Yep. Hardware support and interface really really sucks on Linux.
I have 3 devices at home that I use Linux for, and the amount of bullshit I had from it is immense.
Bluetooth worked fine only for a week or two, and broke with further updates. HDMI audio for integrated AMD Vega, and generally AMD APUs had horrible support, as far as not even being able to boot into the terminal. I have a Linux device on KDE connected to my 4k TV, and that thing constantly changes back to 1080p, has weird stripes on the sides when fullscreen applications are active, and a myriad of other problems.
But:
Linux is the only rich OS to fit on a Raspberry Pi.
Linux is the only rich featured OS that supports zfs.
Most of the software that I depend for work depends on POSIX systems, and Mac OS is just horrible.
So my day-to-day life is learning to deal or to live with these problems. -
@AlpineLinnix I'm really tired of people suggesting switching distributions as a solution for hardware problems.
Unless it comes with a much newer kernel that is known to fix that particular problem, or supports more third party drivers, that is completely and utterly useless, and even damaging suggestion to make.
A distribution is just a different organization of THE SAME software. Stop showing it off as a catch-all solution for all the problems! -
@AndSoWeCode little correction, you can now use windows iot on raspi
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@AndSoWeCode cant u run .net core on linux tho? Whats the advantage of win iot then?
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@sharktits it's IoT. You get a very good API for dealing with GPIO, libraries to communicate with displays and cameras, that sort of thing. And it's not a full-fledged OS that has to boot for a long time and run a ton of services that you don't need.
When you install Linux, you have to configure it to run your IoT apps.
When you use Windows IoT, you boot into it and that's it.
I don't know too many details - just the stuff I read and watched when trying to decide which way to go for my IoT projects. I chose Ubuntu (without a desktop environment), and Python, because it's simple, and familiar. And I severely underclocked the Pi, in an attempt to increase energy efficiency and hope of running it from a power bank for 2 weeks. -
Well, now I had a reason to stay on Linux.
Somehow my windows partition was gone after installing mint...
Everything important has been in my backups, so I dont want to try to restore it.
Welp. I took the time and installed Arch with the zen kernel and xfce.
So far everything seems to work.
CPU powersaving seems to work. Laptop functions working out of the box.
Mouse settings work too. (Again no scroll wheel settings but okay...)
I think I am gonna keep it. -
@RadiatorTwo Incompatible hardware maybe?
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@AndSoWeCode Because it doesn't work well on your devices, doesn't mean it doesn't run well on my devices. (this goes for all os's).
But blaming the operating system for not being compatible with shitloads of hardware which are mostly proprietary (aka the devs have to hack themselves into eternity to get it working because some vendors either can't bother to properly document or even open source hardware or are deep in Microsoft's pockets) is bullshit imo.
For the record, I'm not saying any of you people are the problem, I'm just saying that because something doesn't work for you on an OS, doesn't mean that the OS is shit *by default and for everyone*
I personally had shitloads of problems with windows (won't run that out of free will anymore anyways but that's for other reasons) but linux has ran just fine for me on 20+ devices over the last 8 years.
^^ And that, that's *MY* case. -
@linuxxx It´s a Clevo Barebone from Schenker (Slim 15) with an i7-8550U.
Although they don´t officially support linux, it has basically only generic hardware and should work properly.
Bluetooth, WiFi, display brightness and even the Intel GPU are working out of the box.
Mint 19 so far was the only one that had problems with the CPUs power saving.
Probably because it´s an 8th gen CPU?
But Arch with the newer Zen Kernel 4.17 seems to work properly. -
@Cyanide For you, probably, and that's good!
For me it kept fucking up until I was fed up with that damn system and migrated myself and my family to (at that time) Ubuntu.
But then, I wouldn't use it for security and ethical reasons.
@RadiatorTwo Awesome that arch is working! -
@linuxxx "Because it doesn't work well on your devices, doesn't mean it doesn't run well on my devices" - I didn't say that.
I have yet to see a device where Linux worked flawlessly, or at least better than Windows, as a desktop OS. And I have 3 devices RIGHT NOW that don't work well. I had plenty of devices before that had even worse problems. It's getting better for sure, but still not there.
And I'm not interested in whose fault it is. No consumer should ever care about that. That's not the point of the discussion. It's about highlighting an EXISTING problem, that is ubiquitous. And trust me, if it doesn't work on a ThinkPad properly (freezing or refusing to display when docking/undocking, on 4 ThinkPads in our team, rocking different distributions, while it works all fine and dandy on Windows-equipped ThinkPads), what hope is there for others?
To acknowledge it is the first step towards fixing it. It ain't gonna go away if everybody ignores it or pretends that it doesn't exist. -
@AndSoWeCode
- True. But, the first sentence of your first comment implies it nevertheless. (imo)
You're welcome to check out my laptops/computers running flawlessly on linux (and have been for the past 8 years) 😃
I literally acknowledged the problem in an earlier comment by the way :) -
@linuxxx If I take my ThinkPad and never connect it to external displays, docking stations, many Bluetooth devices - it also works flawlessly. The devil is in the details.
Just the fact that in most popular "new" desktop environments (not the old established ones) you can't even arrange displays vertically, is already a huge point against stability. I'm talking about Budgie, Pantheon, and a couple of other stuffs that I tried.
I could go on and on and on about UX issues that were there for years and still not properly solved, or needing hours of research to fix for the first time.
I'm not saying that you can't make it work for your computer. I'm saying that if you have to spend 40 hours trying to make it work, it simply doesn't work. -
On the same road. But it took me 6 or 7 months to change to linux, so I've made my mind.
To bad, I bought a Windows 10 OEM licence before... Anyway, I know it was a fake and eventually my Windows would be locked (fucking sellers, 20 euros and just gave me a cracked key, didn't said nothing because it worked and I wasn't able to do it myself)
I really want to.
I want to get away from Windows.
But I have yet to find a distro that works.
Today I tried again again.
I found out Linux Mint released version 19.
Snapshots integrated. Cool. I will try it.
Installed with Cinnamon. Looks nice. Everything is running fast.
Aaaaand I hate the mouse movement...
Why is there no 1:1 movement? Is acceleration on? Does not feel like it.
Ok. We can fix this right?
Opened the Mouse settings.
There is no way of deactivating mouse acceleration. Only customizing the amount of acceleration. What?
Ok customize it. No change at all.
Try extreme settings. Nothing.
Google for a solution. Says I should install dconf-editor and change settings there.
Install it, change the settings. Hey it works!
It is far from perfect but I can live with that.
Now the scroll wheel is so slow...
But there is no setting at all? Not even in dconf-editor.
Google the solution. Need to install imwheel and configure it. Really?
Okay will do. I wanna use this.
Finally. Mouse works as it should.
After all that, why is my lap so hot? Fucking hell the cpu seems to be burning.
Fuck that!
I am out! Back to Windows!
rant
fuck linux back to windows