Welcome to the internet of 2019 after Article 13!




I literally can imagine what the European parliament members think:
"The people will like it i guess!"
"What, you can chat with other people in the internet? NEVER HEARD OF THAT."
"I don't understand this 'Memes'. It is not funny and i don't like it!"
"My sons always much too long on his computer, this 'Internet' can't be good!"

I am sorry for the rage, but i just can't believe that people, who maybe mostly have never dealt with the internet, are destroying the future of self-fulfillment and free resources for everyone.
YouTube will start deleting channels who are not big enough, who are not sponsored or made by a big company. They will just delete them. And videos from out of the European union won't be able to be watched in Europe. Big companies will gain power over the internet(I know the partly already have much). Educational sites like Wikipedia and YouTube for example will die, but hey, FUCK MY LIFE!!!
"Nah i never needed YouTube. Or Facebook" + (we can talk about this one) + " Or Instagram. I never saw someone of my friends using it."
FUCK !!!


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    [copyright infringement, comment deleted]
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    I'll just leave this here.
    Spoiler: Actually every eu country has different copyright exceptions.
    There are controversial parts, but it's more about the liability of hosts and implementation. In worst case the EU court has to step in and say a certain implementation is wrong and against fundamental rights and then the implementation is changed
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    First of all, you are late to the game. Secondly, there will be a final vote, please call you MEPs...
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    That's actually really shitty I'd fucking stop existing
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    What you got to do to really get their attention and to make them think this through is to find a situation where this regulation would apply to the governments themselves.

    Find a EU or gov website which accepts user generated content (a document is one) and publishes it, preferrably automated or semi-automated, get a group of people and just spam it with any legally obtained copyrighted material (movie posters are such apparently). Then get some news attention and then just wait. It's only when they have to start looking into implementing upload filters and their costs for implementing such measures themself, is when they listen to the experts telling them the obvious facts.
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    @theKarlisK: I'd wager the people implementing these for EU government sites or paying for that implementation are a few levels of bureaucracy removed from those deciding about the directives.
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    I wonder how this will affect the UK as its due to leave the EU ?


    We'll be going back to text only communication systems with no pictures, or URL links allowed..

    (Like pre-1984.. )

    See, this is why I only write software and don't do any hosting of services, it's just too legally complicated !
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    yea old fars wana control
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    Is that image real?
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    @Nanos Good question. I guess as long as the UK is part of Europe, it will affect the UK. I only know that Susan Wojcicki, YouTube CEO, wrote a letter a few days ago where she told that YouTube would change very much(as I said, they for Examlle will delete most of the channels to prevent copyright violation) and in that letter she also included the UK
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    @elcore I am not late. I knew it before and I already ranted about article 13 a few weeks ago. But I do care about the final vote as you mentioned.
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    @Bubbles mmhhhhmm. Yeah. Me too.
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    Is it time to buy a VPN yet?
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    @Danacus not yet. In 2019
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    @ScaryException So we've got a couple of months left. Or maybe even years, it's still the European Union after all.
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    @ScaryException How about you wait until 2019 to decide whether someone needs a VPN. Let's be realistic (https://juliareda.eu/2018/10/...)
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    @elcore Looks like my country (Belgium) is sceptical about it. That's good news for me at least I guess.
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    @Danacus Well, talk to your MEPs...
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    @elcore As if a normal citizen has anything to say in the EU... They won't listen anyway.
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    @elcore I think the same way as @Danacus .
    I know people who wrote emails and called the MEP's. The problem is that many MEP's are still about to vote for article 13, even if the people tell them not to(with arguments I read myself!)

    It literally seems like the MEPs (who vote for article 13) don't even consider the consequences for the internet.
    And some support these consequences - I mean, article 13 somehow makes censorship legal.
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    @Danacus Yes, they listen......
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    @ScaryException Yeah, I agree with you. It almost feels like Europe is becoming the next China if they keep going like this.
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    @ScaryException censorship by state is still ilegal. Any non-state platform was already allowed to "censorship" before Article 13.
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    That often puzzles me about politicians.

    "Vote for me, I'll give you all free parking!"

    They get voted in..

    During their entire term, not a single word about the 'free parking' issue..

    Meanwhile, they spend their time with lots of things that hardly anyone wants..

    Repeat with next politician voted in..

    Now you might ask, why not ask them, well, they don't answer in public I've found !

    I resorted to private engagement functions, parties/etc. where I could sneak up and ask them in person.

    Some of them actually run away at speed !
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    I think that these laws are already old.
    they target the server, it basically will be responsible for what the users do.
    but what if there is no server? what if the comunication is decentraliced?
    it has a lot of advantages and realization-challenges, it is hard, but not impossible.

    they should ban source code and compilers, and we all know that when this point comes than the shit has gotten real
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    > what if there is no server?

    > what if the comunication is decentraliced?

    Then I imagine everyone who partakes of some of the data is guilty !

    Kinda like bittorrents.
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    exactly, but legally imposing to NOT have data on client side is more privacy-killer, and it requires very scary law.
    I am not saying that this day will not come, I am hoping that it will not last much šŸ˜…
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    @Danacus It has been since the Internet started.
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    @ScaryException you say youtube will delete small channels, can you give a link for that?
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    "The proposal could force platforms, like YouTube, to allow only content from a small number of large companies. It would be too risky for platforms to host content from smaller original content creators"

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    I'm reminded of:


    There was also a case in the UK where a YouTube channel stopped because they was issued with need to have a broadcast license.
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    @ScaryException wow! Youtube against art13!
    Usa vs europe chapter 6!
    ### run to hide politics before someone sees it ###
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    @Nanos The article is true, they actually forced some streamers to buy licenses. Another big streamer("Gronkh") bought one for him and his team.
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    I just don't get how it's possible that pretty much all the European citizen are unable to stop them, because we have literally nothing to say. How can it even be legal for them to make such decisions about our lives when no one wants it? This makes me feel so frustrated. And yes, we could all go on the streets and protest, but no one seems to care enough.
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    @Danacus Maybe we should keep calm and just wait for what the results of the voting are.
    But yes I know what you mean. It's frustrating.
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    @ScaryException You're right, there's no need to panic this early. We don't know their exact plans of how they will do it either.
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    A bit of unwarranted panic over here.

    While I despise any sort of copyright or IP related legislation. This really won't make as big of a change against memes or casual photo uploads.

    The legislation shifts the onus of protection to the website owner, but in terms of what will be classified as "copyright" it makes no suggestions or proposes any changes. So memes are still protected under parody laws, your personal photos are you personal photos.
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    the old people who in power use iPhone XS Max 512gšŸ¤”
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    I thought old folk used Symbian phones. :-)
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    Speaking of these outrageous laws do you think a big company like Google or Amazon would ever "shut off the internet" in a country in protest. I'm not saying for article 13 but for something more extreme.
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    > would ever "shut off the internet"

    > in a country in protest.

    What, again..
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    My god man, I agree with your rant on article 13, but learn to phrase it properly and not come off like the type of person they could care less about being destroyed! If it were up to you then we would all be fucked. Oh wait... One of the top results on google? Uh oh. Already about to pass? Oh shit... Too late now I guess. Thanks for that. No hard feelings, you had the right idea...
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