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kamen3868103dIn the same line of thought I can attend house of cards lessons and call myself construction engineer. People can call themselves whatever they want and it's pointless to fight that; however, people like the ones in your example most probably won't even get called for an interview.
kescherRant23886103dProgrammer can code.
Developer can plan what to code.
Software engineer can plan why to code what, as well as know which tools might be the best tools for the job.
LMagnus2175103dEvery organisation uses the titles differently. I wouldn't overthink it too much.
IntrusionCM675103dThe best kinds of job descriptions are those where you have a title not matching the description neither the tech stack nor the payment.
And some of the shit I read hurt my brain even more than that last sentence...
unsignedint842103dTechnically, nothing. The IT industry likes to cheapen the word 'Engineer' by allowing people who have never studied Engineering (which is an actual discipline - like Law) to call themselves Engineers.
Any idiot can write some crappy code and call themselves a coder/programmer/developer/engineer/rock star, thats why in a job interview you get quizzed on what you *should* know as well as being asked to provide examples of work you have done.
Nanos8416103dProbably the same as car mechanic, automotive engineer, and grease monkey.. (Not sure you are allowed to use that last term these days..)
CodeMasterAlex1208103dEngineer is a title that comes with a degree that you can earn by study. At least here in NL you may officially call yourself an engineer if you have earned that title that comes with a degree. Programming or coding is a different ball game than engineering. Any person who can program can be considered to be a programmer or coder, that includes the sales manager programming Excel, the hobbyist just programming for fun but also the person writing these new stored procedures.
A developer is someone who is able to do more than just program: can fully develop a front end component, a back end service, a new db schema including all that's needed etc.; proficient in at least one layer of the (full) stack.
An engineer however must be able to do the whole full stack: from requirements analysis, to functional and technical design, db schema design, architecture, front end, back end... just everything that you need to professionally and methodically develop software from scratch.
CodeMasterAlex1208103d@react-guy absolutely! And that's also what's missing in many sofware development or programming courses. I mean almost any one can learn to program but crafting software of good quality requires a lot of knowledge, not only about programming and languages, also architecture, principles (solid etc.), quality and much more. Stuff you don't get taught in programming courses.
JustKidding982102dThe difference I experienced is that you can give an engineer a problem and they will come up with a solution and most probably an implementation of that solution. A developer/programmer on the other hand is mostly presented a solution and is able to implement it. That doesn't mean they can't solve problems, they can but not to the same extend as an engineer. Also that isn't a hard line, there are people who are more or less skilled in solving problems ofc, but usually you can filter out the engineers by giving them ever harder problems to solve.
Another point is the approach to problems. An both will try to find a solution but an engineer will do a thorough analysis on the problem and even if a solution can't be found you will get an analysis about why.
That being said being an engineer in Germany requires a degree. Although engineers a described above and engineers with a degree are not necessarily the same group.
Oh I forgot the latest one today, technician.
This is someone who can swap out parts, but doesn't necessarily have any clue what is wrong, and doesn't necessarily have the knowledge to go beyond the computer telling them that the new part is fine, when it still doesn't work..
I'm reminded of a new car my mum has, that the computer says is fine, nothing wrong with the battery..
Except, there is !
On support forums, folk have listed the same fault, and the only thing that fixed it, was a new battery..
But the diagnostic computer says, there is no fault..
Funny, because to me, a flat battery is faulty..
Worked fine the first year, 2nd year, not so good..
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