That feeling when you are in a hospital away from your family and you get a call that your neighbour's huge dog tore apart your lil doggy right in front of your wife and 2yo kiddo....

WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE!

If you have dangerous dogs -- USE FUCKING MUZZLES!!! FFS!!!

Thanks God that monster was satisfied by just killing a doggy and didn't touch my fam

kill it

Dangerous dogs are the result of shitty owners. Sorry about your furbaby.

You need to call the cops and/or animal rights activists. This is so much fucked up. How can someone's pet kill another pet? I would have ripped that guy's throats out if someone even touched my cats

@molaram my expierience is that big dogs are usually too calm. And small dogs are usuakly only loud. Both is dependend on training and history.
@netikras how was the neighbours dog. Could you describe it? Especially how it acted to unknown people, dogs and things.

@molaram Once an animal kills it can develop blood lust. People become an option.

Only shitty dogs get scared and aggressive.
Dogs with decent or high quality breeding do not.

True, you can have a high quality dog that's aggressive if you've beat it senseless since it was a puppy, but even that is difficult to manage.

tl;dr
Aggressive dog = worthless dog.
Worthless dogs should not exist.

@Root "high quality breeding" Well collies a few years back were bred with such high quality that they became inbred and developed neurological problems and many had schizophrenia. They were the expensive collies. I have had better luck with mixed breeds and mutts.

Since you didn't say if your dog was on a leash I'll post this and believe it's relevant.

People need to get over their belief that "my dog would never..." [fill in the blank]. You aren't your dog. You aren't telepathic. Leashes are there to protect your dog and to protect other people/animals. Get your dog on a leash...always...unless you live in the middle of the woods with no neighbors for at least 5 miles, because your dog can also out run you most likely.

I own a dog. He is friendly to family, but just wants to be left alone by other dogs and people. On leash I can control where he goes. Off leash your dog becomes a dog nugget if it walks up to my dog. I am not going to feel bad. My fiancee was mauled as was my dog. My dog has been attacked 6 separate times by dogs not on leash. He will defend himself. He is not vicious, he's a dog.

If you're dog was on leash then I am sorry for your dog. If it wasn't on leash then you're at fault, learn.

@Demolishun mixed breds (indipendent from the species) have usually a better immune system and health

@molaram Doesn't sound like the neighbors dog was defending its owner.

Dogs need a strong authority to tell them what to do. They see their owner (you) as the leader of the pack, and will defer to you and follow your lead. If they see you acting aggressively, they will follow suit; same with disengaging and leaving. If they do not follow your lead or obey, it means they do not respect you. Remedying this can be very difficult or impossible, depending on the dog in question.

Speaking of aggressiveness: dogs will instinctively attack whomever is on the bottom, friend or not. This comes from tens of thousands of years of hunting as a pack. It takes considerable training to stop e.g. an attack dog from doing this. but that doesn't really apply here. the neighbor's dog is, almost guaranteed, a shitty dog from shitty lines with no training whatsoever. Almost guaranteed, it was attacking out of fear.

We have a macaw that does that, actually. The breeder clipped as a chick (against our wishes) and therefore never learned to fly. because flying away is a bird's defense mechanism, she cannot escape anything she finds scary, so she does the only thing she can: attempt to appear scarier and attack the threat as aggressively as possible in order to make it go away. The dog in the story is behaving in the same way.

@Demolishun dogs can't get schizophrenia

https://thedoctorweighsin.com/schiz...

@molaram 2 different sources told me what happened. The big dog sneaked on to the little one [in the sneak-to-attack way] and attacked it biting all over the lil body. The little was an old dog already, almost blind and deaf - it did not suspect a thing. Did not make a sound to provoke the big guy.

The lil one is not of a rat type. Just a tad bigger than the Scottish Terrier.

And buddy, I was born and lived in a vilage surrounded with lots of dogs for a long time - long enough to know that animals, no matter how calm and well trained, can become aggressive and deadly dangerous. It could be just one such episode in their lives, but it is possible. And the worst is that you cannot predict that episode.

@stop a big black short-haired dog. Height -- above my knees. Aggressively barks at anyone passing by his yard.

It's the kind of dog you'd take to the dog fight. Killing is in those dogs' blood.

@Demolishun Sounds like crap breeding. Breeding lines require an incredible amount of planning and effort, and they don't always work. kind of like training a ML model, yeah? except we understand genetics (genes, alleles, dominant/recessives, sex-linked traits, etc.) much better.

If/when a line fails, you discontinue it and try again.

@FulcrumRedux my dog was chained to his house

@Root except the attacker entered our property. It was not its teritory. It wasn't ever marked by it.

The attacker normally lives in neighbour's yard behind a fence. Somehow it got out and paid us a visit.

@FulcrumRedux And the internet contradicts itself again: https://newscientist.com/article/...

@netikras sorry for your loss man. Having a post-op dog really opened my eyes to just how little people think or care to control the interaction of their pets. At least once a week my girlfriend will shout and I'll be spinning and trying to catch some fuckers lab or newfoundlander or what the fuck ever.

"Is it a male?" Is one of my most commonly answered questions. The answer is "please keep your dog to yourself!" And even then people will nod and release their dog, just instinctively assuming because I didn't say yes, that our dogs should meet, LISTEN TO THE FUCKING WORDS PEOPLE!!!

I have a Toller, they're reserved at best, but post-op and weak she'll tell anyone to back the fuck off if they come close, and I don't want her to have to deal with that shit so I'll tackle whatever the fuck comes bolting at us.

In general, I resent my fellow dog owners. Bunch of mindless idiots in general. Not you, just *gestures vaguely* them...

I feel this all too personally.
I once had to punch a rottweiler that weighed as much as me to save my very gentle and friendly 12lb shitzu from being killed. I was walking her on a leash and damn neighbors opened their front door and let the dog out just as I was walking by and it charged right for my little doggo.
Doggo's long gone now but at least it was from old age and not that bullshit.

@stop mixed breeds can also have multiple hereditary diseases or predispositions otherwise specific to certain races on top of whatever they may develop themselves. Further more there is often not a family tree with medical history to check up on so you can't do your prepurchase research at all.

Sure, some people get lucky. And a lot of people buy race breeds with serious issues. Neither means getting a cross is in and of itself a great idea.

Do your research people!

@Root alpha/dominance theory is a pretty dated concept when it comes to dogs.

It's carried over from wolves, because we thought it applied to them and that our dogs were descendants from wolves.

The guy that coined the term for wolves had since been doing a lot of work to show that his initial theory was wrong, and when you observe wild hounds, which our domestic dogs has much more in common with and are more likely descendants of, the concept falls even shorter in trying to describe their social nature and group Dynamics.

Anyway, it's late and I don't have sources on hand, but if you want I can try to dig some articles up for you tomorrow ;-)

@mghrist I love Rottweilers in general, usually friendly enough, but God damn they're heavy when you have to tackle them to keep them from your dog...

Fucking owners...

@ArcaneEye Heh, forget "horse whisperer", you are legit "dog tackler". ;-)

I would kill that fucking dog.

@ArcaneEye, @netikras, @Demolishun, @molaram

Don't feed the trolls, plz.

(yes, there is a pattern I refer to)

This looks like an potential episode for ceaser Milan.

@scor I thought everyone had a valid point and was respectful. There are obvious differences of opinions, but for me I was learning a lot from this discussion. So I am kind of confused.

Pitbulterrier is its breed

@Demolishun
Oh. It's not your interwoven aspects.
It's the people you collectively answer to.
I think you all individually bring nice arguments. I appreciate a proper debate. But also despise people making everything about themselves.