"Im a wordpress developer"

No you are a human segfault

I dislike things like Wordpress and any kind of "wysiwyg" style programming environments. I am all for making things easier, but when you make a product that is bloated, slow and inflexible...it becomes a cancer.

As long as they dont call themself "Developers" I am satisfied

@deusprogrammer customising a WordPress site with themes and plugins != development. There are those of us out there that actually develop for WordPress using code.

@DoctorDalek I know, but that doesn't change the fact that it's slow, inefficient and uses PHP to write plugins.

@deusprogrammer have you used PHP7 with WordPress? I've found it to be faster than some C# CMS's I've worked with

@DoctorDalek Have you ever dealt with Wordpress plugins like Woocommerce who's REST API takes a whole second to complete a POST call for one product? I am sure that PHP done right can be fast, but when people use it to create backends...it blows.

@deusprogrammer yes I have actually. WooCommerce is actually built pretty well and now that automattic owns it, you can bet it can be improved. I haven't experienced any large delays with the API, but you can bet it will end up using the official WP API soon.

@DoctorDalek do you at least agree that writing REST API's with PHP is usually not a great idea?

@deusprogrammer nope. I don't see why PHP would not be sufficient.

I’m most scared by the store-everything-in-one-table database. It’s hideous. Do the devs stick everything in they own in one cupboard?

@erikdreyer11 I would rather write the backend using jax-rs or something that's actually made to write a REST service...along with all the other great things Java EE brings to the table instead of writing plugins for a slow cms in a language that wasn't designed for this kind of heavy lifting.

And look, I am sorry to rustle everyone's feathers. I think PHP has its uses, I just feel like there are languages and frameworks that do it better and make for a much more modular project. I realize PHP has fantastic frameworks like Xend, but I feel like other MVC's do it better. I feel like PHP was never made for the modern web, where we make AJAX calls to retrieve page content instead of rendering the whole damned page every time.

@deusprogrammer you could say that about any language

@DoctorDalek So...let me ask you something. Have you ever used a language for web development other than PHP?

@deusprogrammer what do you mean? You could use any language you'll render a web page. I use Ruby on Rails and I don't think it will be improved for AJAX calls.

@erikdreyer11 it's a great framework but do you try Slim in PHP?

Fuck, guys this rant blew up

WordPress is like Windows, people use it because other people use it, stuff brakes when you update and the only solution for Debbuging is doing a fresh install

I have made a ton of money "fixing" Wordpress

@deusprogrammer yep. Just wrote a couple apps in node and the project I'm working on now is .NET

@tobbeboi um, use a debugger?

My only problem with wordpress is when I have to take over some php noob's legacy wordpress site. It is full of unused plugins, the content pages are not organized, full of shitty templates and usually I have to work with it for hours just to properly clean it up.

Another problem with wordpress is the newbies, who can only create a wordpress page from gathering a pile of existing plugins and basicly just doing an installation, while they think of themselves as developers.

Third problem is that it fucks up the market with all the newbies offering to create a complete website or webshop for 143 USD. The client doesn't know the difference between a woocommerce plugin running on wordpress compared to a magento site for example and they don't want to pay the man hours required to build a proper webshop. Why would they choose us to create a webshop, when Jimmy from the next block can do it for such a cheap price? (this is more likely about idiot customers)

I once removed WordPress from a client's website and converted it to flat, that made roughly 3000% speed performance increase.
I once debugged into the backend code inside WP and you'd be amazed how inefficient it is for it to be 'plugin friendly'.

@Linux I'm a Wordpress 👀

@uziiuzair You are a wordpress?

@Linux it's related to your first comment on this post and the post itself

@uziiuzair so you are a wordpress? 😂

@Linux well.. if it certainly seems so xD

@uziiuzair hi wordpress, im razor

@uziiuzair
Well, you wrote it.

@bakablah you could say the same about most CMS's or eCommerce platforms out there. Hell, look at magento. Nobody will ever be as fast as static HTML. That's why we have caching.

I have no problem using laravel for mostly any web application I make. They all work blazingly fast (especially now with php7). Ofcourse php has its limitations, but so does every language.

I am a wordpress non-developer.

They should be called administrators. That is what they are, nothing more.

@Lalike1987
Designers, 98% of wordpress "Developers" have no idea what PHP is

@Linux no, they aren't designers, all they do is download and install templates and plugins. Very few can actually add something unique to wordpress.

@Lalike1987
Well, I could not aggree more.

"Human segfault".
What a great insult! 😂