If I were on the ECMAScript committee, I would just ask them to use python for everything instead.

good thing you're not there :)

@netikras Better if I WAS there.

@netikras It's just that I find js a very hard to write code in.

@jadou spend some more time with it. And it'll become easier ;)

I'm not a fan of JS either, but I use it occasionally and it's really quite simple. Learning the browser's API - that's prolly the hardest part.

@netikras Thanks bro. I'm still learning it from MDN.

Not with those runtime issues version to version...

There's only 1 thing worse than JS... and it's not PHP.

@c3r38r170 haskell

@N00bPancakes I'm not talking about CPython specifically, you could just create a browser engine that manages to overcome them.

@jadou Another version! ;)

@jadou Even Haskell is better than Python.

Didn’t we talk about this for the past 10 years, were you sleeping, @jadou ?

@jadou MDN is a cheatsheet, not a learning Platform.

@010001111 Actually I think they are trying to do a little "learning platform":

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US...

@N00bPancakes Yeah, a crap one. It’s gonna be incomplete like everything else there :(

@010001111 If u know one language, others are quite easy to pick up. You don't need to "learn" everything from scratch.

@010001111 For some of the time, yes.

@jadou That’s not what I was talking about. I was talking about their lack of proper documentation, deprecated knowledge, existing // TODO‘s after multiple years, bad wording (which results in misunderstanding) and lack of moderation/community interest

@010001111

Not sure anything is "complete"...

@010001111 Ok. Then could you suggest me good source. Please. :)

@jadou We had so many languages on the web already, none of them were good enough and after a ton of work, everybody said „fuck it, it’s easier to fix JavaScript“

That’s where we are now

@N00bPancakes Agree, points still persist. Even W3C have their issues, but certainly less issues and most of the time my favorite source, even if their wording is „too specific“ for a normal JS developer.

Alternatively, Google Web Fundamentals put a high effort on quality

@jadou

@010001111 So where do I start? I used to play around with jQuery as a kid (didn't like js even back then), but now there are so many many many ways to use js. Where should I start?

@010001111 Ok i'll visit it. Thanks 😀

@jadou Do your Avatar Reveal Fast

@theabbie Really grateful bro!

Two boubas spotted in the wild 😂 you even have similar avatars

@uyouthe @theabbie already be like

@010001111 Identity Theft is not a Joke

Oh hell no. Even with how bad JavaScript is I would still prefer to use it over whatever Python tries to be

@010001111 Agreed, google's work is a bit more complete.

@12bitfloat 🙏 🥰

Rust for the web was the fucking worst.

@010001111 Do you actually know Rust or are you another one of the "hehe Rust dumb" guys that don't understand it's core features including ownership and lifetimes

(I can guess lol)

@12bitfloat A bit of both, I respect Rust as language and tried it in the very small timespan when Firefox had experimental support, circa 2012 or something

(Not talking about their internal use nor modern webassembly stuff)

@010001111 Wait, you tried it in 2012? Okay, that's some OG stuff, respect

But for real Rust has changed A LOT going into 1.0.
2012 Rust still had message passing concurrency, a garbage collector and all that stuff. It's a completely different language now

I am really really glad you're not on that committee... there's only 1 lang worse than JS, and I'm going to say it aloud: Python. Both should be burned on a stake and erased from the universe!

@010001111 What about Web Assembly? Is it past or future?

@jadou Wait, so you talked about ECMAscript without knowing JS? Blasphemy.

@c3r38r170 Future and very niche, I haven’t found any reason to use it apart from “put this unity game to the web”