When the hero turns into villain.

Windows memory management is one of the worst architectural designs in tech industry to ever exist.

One mistake on my part is I did not opt for SSD four years ago when my purchased my current laptop.

The entire experience is irritating.

Well, what do you expect when you are using a spinning drive

Although windows is a memory management nightmare, it really isnt it's fault for you running a OS designed for SSDs on HDDs.

@EdoPhoenix is it? I've never heard it before, I mean, it obviously runs better, but I've never heard that it was designed for SSD.

@Linux
@EdoPhoenix

Oh? Pray tell, why is it still possible to buy a laptop with an HDD and Windows pre-installed if it was designed for an SSD? It either isn't (at least not officially ;)) or It's a scam.

That's like if you were able to buy a car, but it was sold with incompatible breaks and kept overheating.

Sure, you can shout at a dev on devRant to know better, but what about the millions of normal users, who supppsedly is windows designed for, being sold unusable shit?

If this was a design thing, Microsoftu should make damn sure laptops are sold with It's actual minimal configuration. Spoiler alert, the minimum requirements say nothing of the disk type :)

@Hazarth Not that I don't agree with you, but to be fair that car metaphor is just what the computer world looks like I'm afraid.

@ScriptCoded Yes, that's unfortunate. I wont stop complaining about it until it gets better though, we shouldn't take this for granted :(

@EdoPhoenix Windows isn't primarily designed for SSD's. Where did you get that from? Windows 11's internals haven't substantially changed from Vista.

Most of Windows is older than commercially available SSDs.

@novasurp @Hazarth I clearly remember the VISTA ready stickers on computers that where no where near that. Not enough RAM? Plug in an usb stick and it will fly...

Even though it is not said explicitly but the background processes often cripple Windows 10 on HDD. Seems that it is not tested anymore on HDD or freezes/never finishing indexation and other bg processes are deemed acceptable.

Windows 10 works with good performance on my machine (M.2 SSD) with my workload (use Linux for serious stuff. NTFS is the problem usually not the mem management)

If you keep on hitting Ctrl+Shift+Esc—sooner or later it will stop responding and start working.

But yes, fuck Windozzz!

Slowly but surely we’re all being programmed via repetitive stimuli

Also, Windows will be "designed for SSDs" when they write that on the box. Until then it's designed for any storage device and it's entirely their fault if they can't live up to the standards they set for themselves.

Buy an SATA SSD, make a disk image, replace the HDD with the SSD, restore the disk image.

Or even better, just save your data before swapping out HDD vs. SSD and get rid of Windows altogether.

@Fast-Nop thinking of handing over my machine to my annoying sister and just get a new/better one for myself.

That popup window would make a great bed spread for anybody who's job title is "Task manager".

A small ssd is like $25. Just about any machine can be configured to boot from that. Unless of course you have a shitty laptop with limited slots for drives.

@ojt-rant what?

@Demolishun @Fast-Nop I have already made way too many shitty decisions on my tech in past and no longer want to continue on those.

Rather let these tech struggle and die so that I can make better purchases next time.

But I totally get your point..

@Floydimus I had a shitty lappy that was running windows 10 on 4GB ram and spinning disk. I revived it with extra 8GB ram and cheapo ssd. It actually ran pretty good once I did that. But sometimes you want to go for the newer machine.

@Demolishun my current machine is already four years old and out of all extended warranties as well.

Hence, it would be wiser to drag this a little extra for a year or two and then invest in a better one (and also the fact that in next two years there'll be more advancement in tech so better config).

@Floydimus I would recommend a Sager/Clevo with 11th gen i7. My compile times are way faster. I also opted for dual 1TB M.2 drives. It was spendy, but worth the money. The Sager is way faster than my old Asus which was pretty good at the time. I got my Sager at xoticpc for $1400 base price. I added the second 1TB drive myself. There is also room for additional SATA drive in there. Lots of room in my lappy. YMMV

@Demolishun what's sager/clevo? Are those some brands that I am not aware of?

$1400 is expensive but I am sure worth it.

My max needs are running an Excel with multiple tabs. Lol

It's not that it's "officially designed for SSD's"

it's the way it handle swapping pages on storage, with less degree of control (at least easily accessible) over swappiness and other parameters of control over this functions and ending up putting large chunks of memory on a slow disk

It can work on HDD's but its like goes spinning shit into the trash as soon as a few hundred MB of pages are not needed

@KennyTheBard that logic applies to every application and that's what makes SSD better that HDD and the primary purpose of invention.

@Floydimus yeah, but i meant in the sense that on linux you can configure it to use it less often so the slowness of a HDD is reduced

While windows design is to pass its problems on the hardware to solve, including swapping pages whenever it feels like it

@KennyTheBard oooo! Interesting. Never knew that. Thanks for this piece of info :)

@Floydimus I had to reduce the frequency of swap operations at some point because the HDD would slow my workstation to a halt, so i know a piece here an there on this subject

but i might be wrong on the windows side, as i do a lot less configuration on that system, so take my words with a bit of salt

@KennyTheBard :)

@Floydimus Yes, Sager is USA branded Clevo. They are made in Taiwan. Clevo is rebranded by many different laptop brands.

Here is what I got:

https://xoticpc.com/collections/...

You can probably find this elsewhere. They have been helpful after the sale.

@Floydimus

Here is Clevo TW website:

https://clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetai...

The one I got is the NH58HPQ

Edit: I believe Origin is a rebranded Clevo.

@Demolishun will check. Thanks bud

I also have a rebranded Clevo (NL50RU) with AMD 4700U, 2TB M.2 SSD, 32GB RAM, and iGPU for graphics. Cute machine that runs Linux nicely.

@Floydimus
sorry, I went a bit british there.
douvet cover?
"bed sheet" in America maybe? Comforter sheet? Not sure.

@ojt-rant I am not an american.

Also, the confusion wasn't about the terminology but about the joke you were trying to crack.