This just happened. What the actual fuck!

I'll try my shot to experience. They are bad that doesn't mean I shouldn't experience.

It'll give me some different perspective and learnings.

Time to sabotage!

@electrineer the master plan

Get in
Find the loopholes
Setup for D Day
Trigger timer
Resign
Watch the world burn in real time

Second time in a week, that Facebook London reached me out.

Dafaq!

Fly high dude.

How/where do you network with this people? I'm going to be out of my current job soon and start looking for a new one after a break. I need tips!

@anux thing is, I don't. My LI is deactivated 99% of time unless I am job hunting.

@Floydimus ah. I'm not on linkedin :/

FB would like a word with your soul.

@anux we all hate it there but it helps to put food on the table.

@Demolishun sign here to surrender to the Lizard god.

@molaram read my second comment here. Also, even if I land an offer, I'll be sceptical. I am just experiencing their interview process.

They are recruiting like mad, to plug their slimy tentacles into everyone's VR holes.

https://businessinsider.com/faceboo...

I like their vision on a "metaverse". Open standards & protocols, interoperability... 🙄

But I don't want Zuckerberg to ever have a major stake in the result.

Not to knock your confidence - if that's what you want you go for it!

...but the big companies like FANG type companies will all just be spam-hiring, constantly. Get as many people in as they can, and then whittle them down to nothing quite quickly. The process deliberately *looks* personal & friendly at a first glance to draw you in, then when they've hooked you it's anything but. Now if you're prepared for that and still want to go ahead, fantastic - just don't get despondent if they ghost you or otherwise reject you for no good reason half way through the process.

@AlmondSauce This. ^

@AlmondSauce This.

@Root This _

@anux That _?

They are massively hiring for their terrifying metaverse project...

@bittersweet @AlmondSauce @Tounai @anux @stackodev @Root

Yes, I am aware that they are hiring like crazy for metaverse project.

I hate them with burning Passion. The reason I am attending the interview is because they reached out and not me.

And also want to experience how these fucked up companies interview. It'll help me get a perspective of things.

I am also in process of Booking, Amsterdam and hopefully I get that one.

The reason I share this Facebook news with y'all is not because I am got a FAANG opportunity but because I am surprised how desperate Facebook has become to stay in the market by coming up with metaverse project.

@Root @Floydimus
I wasn't aware of the "metaverse" hiring till it was mentioned here. I just thought we were having a funny moment with 'This *' comments. ^^

All general Facebook hate aside (fuck them), I kinda like the project title. Metaverse. It's so pretentious but also moonshot like and interesting.

Oh and staying on the topic... @Floydimus don't feel bad for interviewing lol.
It's always better to keep your options open.

...also blood money is still money. >.>

@anux I'd never sell my values and ethics for money unless it is for saving my or my family member's life.

Because I have seen family members being affected with bad money (the money that comes in a bad way goes out in a bad way).

And I don't that to happen. My intentions are and will always be pure, even if I slip out on my actions.

@anux but yes, I want to try the interview because experience 😂😂😂

@Floydimus that's very nice.

@Floydimus

I have personal experience with Booking.

While Booking is not the worst company to work for, they do some unethical things in my opinion.

First there's the government Corona help they paid out as insanely high bonuses to execs.

But there's also the way they develop their product: Extremely focused on experiment driven development, no vision on long term user satisfaction, just implementing whatever drives the sale in the short term.

The result is a site which pushes users to pay as quickly as possible with flashing red buttons and untruthful warning timers.

Not saying you shouldn't work there — you could definitely use it as a gateway to more fun companies in Europe.

@bittersweet I mean, which company isn't being unethical at this point?

That's kind of a norm if one has to stay in the business.

Small companies like songkick won't hire me directly from overseas.

Hence, big names are my gateway to get my foot in the door and from the move internally to a better and more ethical workplace.

We never know what could happen next. In these times, even a 1 year timeline is long enough which can tilt the Earth on its axis.

I'd take booking @ Amsterdam over FB @ London in your shoes

@nibor @Floydimus

Oh definitely Booking over FB.

Booking is also a nice resume entry -- Pretty much any "platform company" has complex business logic, experience with that gives you a buttload of credibility as a senior when moving on.

All I'm warning for is that Floyd does seem to have a soul, so I think he'd completely snap after a few years at a soulless company like Booking.

But a year or two, completely doable. Using them as a stepping stone into the EU "unicorn platform market" is absolutely a great career strategy.

@nibor @Floydimus

And yeah, true, what platform isn't implicated in some kind of scandal.

Uber is fighting unions, Takeaway is extorting restaurants, AirBNB is destroying the housing market, hip scooter sharing companies litter the streets with scrap metal, meal/grocery deliverers are sending kids into dangerous traffic...

For every argument about improving the world someone will find a counter argument as to why it leads to destruction.

So it comes down to your own moral code.

I consider myself an ordoliberal -- A flavor of libertarianism -- so I'm all in favor of earning cash with brilliant intellectual property, even making investors happy, while providing value to customers.

But an ordoliberal draws the line when negative externalities (uncompensated cost to society) aren't dealt with, or even start to significantly outweigh the delivered customer value.

Notable platforms score very differently on that scale in my opinion.

@bittersweet I think that Facebook is in another level. All the companies you mentioned more or less have a speech which says "we will improve the world"
But Facebook? FFS no one wants there new shit. After the year and a half we spent who has the feeling that their metaverse shit is something good? They don't even pretend actually. So if you choose to join Facebook, from my point of view, you are deliberately serving the Evil. No excuses.

But on the other hand, it's a proof, if it was needed, that money and fancy names anihilate every sense of moral or fear in a lot of people.

Btw fuck liberalism, a huge company imposing THEIR vision to the world is just feudalism, and extremely anti democratic.

@nibor @bittersweet @Tounai 9fc Booking over Facebook.

Going live with HR for screening at Booking in 2 so I'll get back to this thread in a while.

@Floydimus break a test!

@Tounai Don't want to turn this into a political debate, but I think it's fine for a company to project their ideology, or "impose their vision".

As long as the playing field is fair.

Where it goes wrong is regulation: Facebook should never have been allowed to buy Instagram and Whatsapp, there needs to be a healthy antitrust framework preventing such large scale acquisitions.

Governments also struggle regulating data:

GDPR is a nice try, but written by bureaucrats who do not fully grasp privacy issues.

Free speech should be regulated. 18th century documents are great for American patriotism and all, but their applicability is a bit limited in an age of global society-destabilizing disinformation bots, unchecked slander, cyber-bullying and doxxing.

@Tounai

Also, the issue is that the internet, and to an even larger degree various AI projects and smart-algorithm-based companies, expose flaws in existing legislation.

Relentlessly.

They do not wait for bureaucrats.

Freelancing and subletting laws have always been weird in many countries for example.

Afterthoughts, bandaids on existing labor and housing laws, to quickly patch exploitation problems.

To a certain degree, the only crime companies like Uber and AirBNB commit is exposing those flaws, poking at an already festering, ignored wound.

@bittersweet I agree on most of the points.

But my philosophy is simple : a company shouldn't be allowed to say anything nor complain against a government, only individuals should, for obvious reasons of influence, and on that point of view, the GAFAM don't play fair, along with a lot of other companies.

For the rest, it's a lot of political fight. Meanwhile, rules of EU would be tougher if there was no pressure of the US government, which is playing for the US interests. The government of my country understood that, they understood that USA were not allies and were causing a lot of problems. The debate is not about politics but geopolitics.

But now, I, as a citizen, want to be able to say stop to a company that openly abuse people. And I will continue to consider Facebook evil because they are enjoying the geopolitical chaos it is nowdays to make profits without limits.

@bittersweet

>All I'm warning for is that Floyd does seem to have a soul, so I think he'd completely snap after a few years at a soulless company like Booking.

Yes, bro. I want to work for a company with high ethics and good culture with decent pay. I am finding a gem company.

My previous company was unethical in some ways, but my team and product was super ethical and awesome. They paid me peanuts and except for the pay, everything was next level.

>But a year or two, completely doable. Using them as a stepping stone into the EU "unicorn platform market" is absolutely a great career strategy.

I am just using these big names as a gateway because a small company won't be betting on me to sponsor a visa. Though one did in 2020. The bloody new product head cancelled my offer and then she quit recently fucking up my opportunity.

I too don't like Facebook but I am purely using it for resume and a gateway in London. Once there, I can quickly switch. Still betting hard on Booking though.

>And yeah, true, what platform isn't implicated in some kind of scandal.

As it is said, one has to adopt the unethical way to reach the top.The system is designed in a way to force you to become a cog in the system

>So it comes down to your own moral code.
Good point. Let's just say hypothetically say that the product you'll be working on in Facebook will be genuiely a good one but Facebook as a company is unethical. Would you still pick that up given thata indirectly you are fueling evil?

This analogy can be used in same way as having a Github account where they support genocide, or purchasing from Amazon even when we know how they treat their warehouse employees.

It does boil down to one's own intentions and how we do our part to the best of our abilities.

>I consider myself an ordoliberal
And that's where individualism gets tricky. How we project our values and how we percieve others'. This mechanism makes the entire world a truly complex system. And from there it even gets challenging.

@Tounai agreed. Facebook is indeed evil. Rather it makes evil look good. There was a point in my life, way before the evilness of Facebook was public, I used to hate Facebook with burning passion.

>But on the other hand, it's a proof, if it was needed, that money and fancy names anihilate every sense of moral or fear in a lot of people.

I once remember @Bittersweet once made a comment, on a post where I was ranting on how ugly Facebook is. He said, sometime the crap is needed for us to realise the value of good.

So I am totally with you that evil of Facebook is needed. But look at it from a scientific pov, map the normalisation curve for Facebook and see how long it will last.

>To a certain degree, the only crime companies like Uber and AirBNB commit is exposing those flaws, poking at an already festering, ignored wound.

System is designed by the rich for the rich to keep them rich

>But now, I, as a citizen, want to be able to say stop to a company that openly abuse people.

Not calling you out but I feel there is a game of privilege. If I was in London or EU, my struggle to find more and better opportunities would have significantly reduced. And hence, I wouldn't have had to resort to joining the evil to get a level playing field for myself (which is to get into a better place).

I have liked @Bittersweet's thought process since forever.

I used to screenshot all the good stuff and many are his.

I found that comment in my archives.

@Floydimus

I think, to a certain extent, it's more important to stay true to your own values than to make boycotting lists.

I mean, if you're against eating bananas, don't buy bananas. But if you refuse to talk with anyone who has ever bought a banana... Damn that's quite a constraint.

Also, is it effective? To save all those cute bananas, it might be wiser to befriend banana-eaters, win their trust and show them that bananas have feelings too.

@bittersweet there is so much we can do. Can we save everyone or everything? Possibly not.

Can we do our best to be a good human while fitting in for survival? Maybe.

Hopefully things turn positive.

@Floydimus

I've had the same dilemma: Working as an environmental chemist for an oil company.

Did I help them improve their treatment plant to reduce lead and mercury in wastewater...? Yes.

But I did work for big oil, and not the best behaving one either.

I still don't know how to feel about it.

@bittersweet same.

@Floydimus If you get an interview can we refer to you as a "meta initiate" into the church of "fuck the world"?

@Demolishun lmao.

Let's see how it goes on next Friday.

@molaram I hate facebook and already rejected them multiple times. I have standards.

@KatatonDzsentri

1. Where are you based out of?

2. Did you reject them after getting an offer or rejected the recruiter before interviews?

3. Define standards?

@Floydimus
1. Europe
2. First at offer. The others before interview
3. I need to believe that the product I'm working on helps people and does not abuse them.

@KatatonDzsentri

1. Lol privileged

2. Why did you interview and wait till the offer if you are so against it? Seems like you just wanted to validate yourself that you can get an offer and then reject them.

3. Pretty much basic. Everyone in their sane mind has that standards.

1. Shitty part if europe. Not priviliged.
2. I was curious about the process and if I could go there

@KatatonDzsentri

1. gap between you being able to travel/move internally within Europe and a person like me from a third world South Asian country, is huge.

2. So am I. As mentioned in one of the previous comments in this thread.

And I'd pick them to get my foot into the door in the UK/EU.

@Floydimus that's completely valid

@KatatonDzsentri thanks.