I don’t understand why people hate windows, especially windows 11??

Running Windows 11 on a Dell Latitude 3520 with an 11th Gen Intel Core i5 processor, I was able to go from the computer completely shutdown to a new 3D unity project fully loaded and ready to go in only 1 minute and 25 seconds!!! That’s from completely shutdown!

I haven’t overclocked the PC or anything and have used half of the 465GB storage!

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    I doubt, that it is a specific version, that is hated...
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    Startup time is irrelevant
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    Elitism. Fan boyism. Specific issues on cheap hardware. Take your pic. When it works, it works fine.
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    You can't drag and drop stuff from one app to another using the taskbar. 😠
    It makes me aangry, man.
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    Mostly that Windows doesn't get it's shit done.

    The backwards compatibility has become ridiculously stupid.

    That they started 3 redesigns without finishing one is even more idiotic.

    Last but not least - the forced migration to cloud / Microsoft services like the necessity to use a Microsoft Account are making it worse.

    If I am paying for a donut and get a donut that's one quarter raw dough, one quarter baked, rest rotten I would sue the fuck out of the shop selling it.

    Windows does the same and people tell you "it's okay".

    Same with Apple and it's complete lack of quality assurance.

    It's just unbelievable. But guess that getting crap for money is just inevitable nowadays.
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    Here's something affecting both W10 and W11, the QA department went home on this one.


    Windows is growing into a pile of unusable shit every update that comes along.
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    The main problem I have with Windows is that it feels like I'm fighting it any time I need to do something that isn't considered "normal computer usage". Since I'm a developer and a gamer, I'm ALWAYS doing something abnormal. But the moment I try to tweak or customize even a tiny little thing, Windows gets in my way somehow. I've had registry settings reverted after updates. I've had forced updates that ignored the "active hours" setting. I get better performance, shorter startup times, and smoother updates with Linux than I do with Windows at this point. Linux doesn't ignore or change settings that I've defined.

    And that doesn't even get into how Windows 11 basically neutered a bunch of customization features. You can barely change anything about the Taskbar now, and changing your default browser is tedious and frustrating.
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    Are forced updates still a thing?
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    @flask as far as I can tell, in Windows 11 you can pause or defer updates for up to a certain length of time, but there's still no way to prevent automatic updates entirely and I don't think you can prevent automatic reboots either. So not all that different from Windows 10.
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    My Linux workstation cold-boots into IntelliJ within 25 seconds. About 15 seconds until login, a second or so to enter my password, 5 more seconds until OS is ready, few seconds for Jetbrains to get its shit together.

    Boot times are more dependent on hardware than OS these days —with similar hardware you get about the same results in Linux, OSX and Windows.

    So your post should be "Don't you just love fast PCI express buses and high speed SSD chips?"
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    i hate windows 11 and will never "upgrade" because you can't position taskbar to the side of the screen =D
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    @flask will always be a thing when it's the most used operating system that hosts the most sensitive information and users don't pay attention. The more technical know how to disable but in my opinion after so long the update should be forced unless in extre cases. Also in my opinion forced updates aren't the problem. Quality control is.
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    @Midnight-shcode forgot about that. I've never done that for the longest time but I get the appeal.
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    @demortes the most used os for sensible data is linux. Nearly 80% of the top 10 mio websites run on linux [see here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/...)
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    The problem imho is that you can't configure easily what you want to update (e.g. only security updates). The thing I don't like about Windows is that it assumes you don't want to mess with it's settings so it hides them somewhere where you won't find them without a (sometimes extensive) google search.
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    It's not that windows has no place or is bad, it's simply not my piece of cake (especially because of the forced updates).
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    @flask fair point. Data sits in databases etc. The entry point for most hacks however is an operating system that hasn't been patched (and their applications). Microsoft pushes these updates and for the most part I personally have no problems. It's when people do have a problem millions notice it. If a Linux server update has a problem millions notice it but have no fucking clue it's source and blames something else.
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    Also has a thought. Technically Linux is only the kernel. Windows is considered the kernel and desktop manager and it's included applications. Friend of mine predicts that windows will be just another Linux distribution at some point and we have a Microsoft desktop manager.... That'd be interesting if these forced updates problems still get complained about
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    It's paid software that:

    - has an opinion on my choice of browser
    - shows ads
    - installs affiliated software most people don't need by default
    - phones home in ways that aren't completely open and documented
    - overwrites settings when updating

    Freeware is allowed to use these sneaky tricks because they need to make money. Paid software should

    - do as I say without asking unless my command is destructive
    - show only information that is either important to the status of the system or I previously requested to be notified about it
    - always ask before installing anything not strictly related to its purpose
    - communicate clearly what data is being collected and allow me to disable every last item. Ideally most of it should be opt-in but that's not a requirement
    - never overwrite changed settings unless the new value is different from the previous default and was not available when I last changed the setting. Ideally it should offer to notify me about every such change
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    Note that "most users don't need it" isn't an excuse for software as expensive and popular as Windows Pro. The very similar and valid excuse is "it would cause trouble for most users" and my answer is to hide them all behind a master power user switch.
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