Linux is an amazing, stable operating system.

Until you decide to upgrade it, then you realise the update failed, your DE is broken and after using Timeshift to restore the system, your GRUB decided to commit seppuku.

You know I always hear people complain about that, but everytime I run Windows or Mac I run into issues to, where updates will randomly fail, my machine will freeze, or who knows what else.

The difference is with Linux I can see what happened, have the ability to fix it, and know why it happened. On Mac or Windows I'm just screwed and hope it gets sorted.

Better than windows.

I have been using Ubuntu since 14.04. Upgrade has never failed me.

I have lost count how many times windows update fucks up everything.

@adhdeveloper @h3rp1d3v Just because one of them supposedly is “less bad”, doesn’t make it any good.

git gud scrub.

Take image level backups if you are that worried.

I'm curious to see what distro and flavor you are using and how many versions behind you were.

My Windows desktop has not successfully installed an update for two years.

@adhdeveloper You always hear about these magical people with seemingly always broken windows installs too though

I've been running windows for all my (short) live, like 12 years now and I have only ever had a problem with windows bricking itself once. It literally just works

@12bitfloat Linux is the most stable and durable OS I have ever used. It's also the OS that literally runs the internet you're using to flame it.

Granted, I routinely patch my system through incremental updates.

It boggles my mind how any dev CAN'T comprehend why their shit breaks when they upgrade from gnome 2 to gnome 3. Or when they upgrade from kernel 4.8 to 5.18.

It's absurd to me that any dev can't functionally understand why it's a bad idea to upgrade single or multiple FULL versions of libraries.

Go take the oldest software you wrote that has external dependencies. Now update a core dependency to the latest version. Bet that shit broke. Does that mean your code is shit? Does that mean your app is a turd that should be waffle stomped down the drain? Are you a terrible developer because you failed to develop code that couldn't continue to function on changes that hadn't occurred yet?

According to all the microsofties on here, the answer is a resounding yes!

Just use Gentoo.

Using Debian testing I just had problems because the nvidia driver didn’t supported the newer kernel installed (but choosing the previous kernel worked).

Currently, with fedora silver blue, there is no upgrades just newer partition images to use; immutability is life.

Ps: I never had problems with macOS as well, but some software just won’t work on newer versions from time to time.

I go to grab sone popcorn and than read all linux fanboys/ms haters comment, that they never had some issue and bring windows into the conversation

@12bitfloat exactly, since win 7 (8 and 10),i never had an issue, just 2 times had several BSDO, but once was faulty hdd and once faulty ram (but someone else would have easily blamed windows, increasing the percentage of "windows sucks" stereotypes)

if you have a grub rescue error it is easy to resolve

1. "try ur linux partition without installing"

2. theres a ytb video with a tool to uninstall grub and reinstall it again

it works perfect and my grub rescue error was resolved

@dontbeevil windows suck though. no such thing as bluescreen in linux without telling you what exactly happened

@joewilliams007 90s are calling wants you back, now it even provides you a qr code to tell you what happened, plus there is the windows error logs for ages.

P. S.
Windows is for all kind of users, average user wouldn't care less to have a "scary" kernel panic linux screen

@dontbeevil bro my grandma would understand linux.. im currently using zorin os and for windows users its a dream. And the terminal isnt really that difficult

@dontbeevil shocking . we even get a qr code

@joewilliams007 don't change topic, I'm not saying that my grandma couldn't use (not understand) linux... But we were talking about bsod/kernel panic screens. Don't be so upset if they added a qr code, enjoy your black kernel panic screen.

P. S.
It's ok, I'm used to linux fanboys when thry lack counter arguments

@dontbeevil you dont really get those errors much that you are explaining. Ur point is irrelevant and rare.
I would say linux (well zorin os) is much easier then windows since it runs much faster and the app store litteraly has MORE apps then the Microsoft app store where you must get most apps from bloated website (excluding games cuz yea games suck on linux)
And still it lets you a powerfull terminal which is much better then windows shit for the people that want to use it better

@joewilliams007 90s are calling wants you back... I don't know what else to reply, you keep changing focus of topic with random (and often not uo to date/true) things

@dontbeevil it really sounds like you never used linux

@joewilliams007 i used and use all the OSes, you didn’t use windows for ages instead. I have nothing against linux, it's just its fun club, and btw overall I prefer windows.

@ostream no they're not mean, they're just acting as usual, they say one thing, i reply proving them worng and they start to reply with random things... Classic

*sudoku

@dontbeevil never saw the qr code thingy, my machines didn’t bsod for ages 😔.

Made this comment instead of 🍿.

@gcavalcante8808 Closed Source Nvidia driver force me to install them again after every kernel update, sadly they are no good working open source drivers for my GPU, which was the only reasonable GPU i could buy then.

@sariel [1/2] In that case it was my dad’s laptop with Linux Mint 19.3, which I tried to upgrade to 20.3. I followed the instructions online, only to find out that after the reboot, the DE wouldn’t load no matter what.
So because I really didn’t feel like finding out what’s up, I used Timeshift backup to restore last known configuration (I made a backup beforehand) - which nuked GRUB because I clicked “Yes” to “fix Grub”. So I downloaded Mint’s ISO, made bootable USB and booted off of that, mounted the HDD and ran grub-install. This fixed the grub.
Then it turned out that dependencies are damaged, DE was broken. So I figured “ffs, I’ll use Timeshift again” - this time I picked “no” to “fix Grub” - the Grub showed the same error after reboot.
So I start live ISO again, run the same commands, finally it all works (I hope).
Something that was supposed to take me 1 hour, took me 3 hours, which didn’t even lead me to the desired result.

[2/2] And that was Linux Mint - supposedly the most user friendly distro. The one designed to take on Windows. I could fix it, because I knew what I was doing. How is my dad supposed to fix such fuckup, after he followed system upgrade instructions?

@athlon Get a list of manually installed packets, copy /home/, reinstall Linux, install the before listed packets (when they still exist) and restore /home/. Test if everything works/is installed as needed / and install missing things / fix what doesn't work anymore.

@neriald same, but I know from the news 🙂

@athlon so it was a major version upgrade.

I wonder how many people had problems when they upgraded to Windows 10? I wonder how many people are currently having problems upgrading to Windows 11?

I think the real lesson here is that there's some people that just expect things to work without them thinking about how it works, and that's ok. You can drive your car and never know exactly how it works but there some of us that know exactly how every rod, cylinder, shaft, flywheel, and gear works.

My biggest problem with all the haters is the willful ignorance. It's one of my biggest pet peeves, lazy brains are the leading cause of entropy.

I'll agree that Windows *is* a stable OS, but the seductive marketing lull is wasted on me because of what they're doing to their users. I don't appreciate becoming an unwitting data mine on which they can sell my personal info.

Microsoft is just an evil company, no better than Facebook, Twitter, Google, Nestle, etc. Can you say that about Linux?

@sariel I’m using macOS :>

@athlon I guess if you like to be nickel and domed to death.

Never thought I would ever see the day when you were required to pay for software that maintained the system itself. I'm speaking specifically of the disk defrag app. Point is moot these days with SSDs, but platter disks are still being used, which still need defragmentation.

I'm not even surprised anymore, the MO for companies these days is to take a fat steamy shit on their customers chests and charge them for it.

@sariel ?????? I never flamed Linux. I just said windows doesn't break all the time like it allegedly does. I don't know who you're arguing with lol

Windows XP+ updates never broke something for me. On a rare occasion it would fail to install but roll back I guess.

Windows 98 updates were scary though. Even "just" upgrading IE could fuck up your install and you were advised to format your c drive if you wanted a reinstall to succeed 😂

Good times.

@ostream you're referring to my fifth reply, congrats!