I found this site searching for alternatives to stackoverflow, as I cannot stand the sass I get from those self righteous basement dwellers.
Am I wrong to think that I can come here to answer my coding questions?

Techinically yes

The primary purpose of the platform is for devs to vent

It'a neither a Q&A forum nor an educational platform

That being said, it's possible to find help, tips and mentoring, but no promise of that is made and people might get jumpy if instead of good angry stories (ironically like this one, great job!) they get stack overflow style questions

Yes

I think here you'll get a different kind of snark.

Questions that don't have a clear right answer do better here than questions that can be solved by rtfm. At least that's how I think things tend to go.

@electrineer hehe read the fucking manual

Sometimes the manual not so clear

The people on SO are sassy for a reason: SO is not a forum and not a helpdesk, and neither a community. And certainly, you must not ask low quality shit questions just because you are too lazy for googling.

*This question is marked as duplicated question*

Just kidding.

@johnmelodyme not constructive even if we'll worded and pertinent and inviting conversation !

Somehow I agree with @Fast-Nop

I mean, we do have a question tag

@Fast-Nop I get that but they're also assholes
That isn't changed
Ever go on one of their chats before ?
They're assholes in there too because they like ahem alot of people are trying to make everything an infinite loop and queer everything

@AvatarOfKaine In addition to not being a helpdesk, forum, or community, SO isn't a place for psychotherapy, either.

@Fast-Nop well that's good because I wouldn't want some chomo piece of garbage that dreams of being a little boy again so his dad can rape him some more that makes baby faces at people as a psychologist thanks.

And I don't think expecting something other than a question answered on a FORUM creates for people to ask questions and not be picked apart and called a shitty human being in essence or baited into responding with due vehemence to some little nasty masochist geek that likes causing trouble so someone yells at him who then abuses mod privileges to suspend an account or consistently nitpicks a fucking question and calls a person a retard in essence is asked too much!

Bitch. Lmao

@AvatarOfKaine You need professional therapy, and SO simply isn't the place for that.

So you are going to answer your own questions then. :-)

I think what @Fast-Nop is trying to say that SO is more of a wiki for code solution than a forum like Reddit.

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SO is not a forum and not a helpdesk, and neither a community.

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What is it then ?

@johnmelodyme

I'm reminded of:

https://bbc.co.uk/news/...

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Wiki wars: Do Wikipedia's internal tiffs deter newcomers?

But behind the scenes, or rather behind the screens, lies a world of incessant cyber-bickering, in which some editors of the site conduct "battles to the death for insanely low stakes" - as veteran contributor David Gerard puts it.

He is referring to the infamous "edit wars", in which the volunteers who spend hours creating and policing Wikipedia - affectionately known as Wikipedians - clash over the minutiae within the site's 30 million or so pages.

For a start, Wikipedians are roughly divided into two camps:

the "inclusionists", who believe the more information on the site, the better, even if the facts may be less well referenced as a consequence

and the "deletionists", who would prefer that only the most relevant and fully verifiable facts appear

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Sounds just like a forum to me..

@Nanos A fucking Q&A site, just as it says! The most important person is not the one who's asking, but the hundreds afterwards who come to that question via Google.

If the question is useless for pretty much anyone but the OP, then it has no business being on SO in the first place, and neither do fucktards who ask such questions.

Everything sounds just like a forum to me..

https://youtube.com/watch/...

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Blackadder Johnson's Dictionary

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@Nanos so it is a forum? Or ?

@Fast-Nop

> Q&A site

You mean a forum..

@Nanos @Fast-Nop hope this help for between your discussion with each other.

@johnmelodyme

It's a forum !

Forums are places folk ask questions, and other folk answer them.

Calling it by another name doesn't alter what it is.

Interestingly, I have seen it called other things.

I think one of today's words is 'group'.

@Nanos Nope, I don't, and I explained fucking why. How about you try to fucking read for once before you hit the fucking reply button and post stupid shit?

From google we get:

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forum

computing

1.

a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

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@Fast-Nop

I just wanted to see which one of us resorted to swearing first. :-)

@Fast-Nop

> I explained why.

That wasn't an explanation, that was a statement.

An incorrect statement too, good thing there is no one here to ban such a poor attempt at an answer !

@johnmelodyme I find it quite fascinating how the same data can be presented in different formats.

I guess it is a bit like religions, they often have similar wisdoms and rules.

Kinda reminds me of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Which reminds me of a forum with a similar name. :-)

@Nanos Getting rid of morons who misunderstand SO as forum or helpdesk is just basic part of site quality management. So don't wonder if you aren't welcome there.

@johnmelodyme

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your discussion with each other.

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I'm not sure we are having a discussion..

One of us might be, the other, not so much..

Reminds me when an atheist chats to someone religious.

Though, usually I find religious folk who have particular rules, have them for practical reasons that are only just making themselves apparent today as being a wise long term choice in how to run peoples lives for the better.

It is also of perhaps an interest to see how rigid people can be in defending their faith about something.

Which of course goes both ways. :-)

I wonder why folk ask questions here, and not elsewhere ?

Perhaps its the patient, kind responses one gets, compared to elsewhere.

@Fast-Nop

> Getting rid of morons

Triggered !

"basic part of site quality management."

That is so funny !

That is like a garage saying they won't except cars to be repaired, the car has to want to be repaired itself, because the rules say so. :-)

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So don't wonder if you aren't welcome there.

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In the, lets see now, 37 years on 'forum' of all types, and for some reason, I haven't bothered to join that place because it looks sooo unwelcoming, even though I have 37 years of experience and knowledge that I could be really helpful to folk.

I'm sure the folk I would be helpful to would be happy about that.

But I think also some of the assholes in charge ( My turn to swear ! ) would try to spoil that experience whenever I asked a question.

Or maybe even when I answered a question, because they might disagree with my answer being correct.

Even Stasi Facebook moderators are kinder !

@Nanos well from my perspective.. I am just a moderator in this one. No intention to debate , just watching you both discuss about what SO actually is.

@Nanos you mean like Reddit and quora?

@Nanos its a place where assholes meet and are given moderator privileges to enable them

@Fast-Nop well I'd gladly take the hot female fake kind of shrink that fucka their clients for a living because they cheated in college 😁

By now I'd expect a little more clever of an insult from crazy people who call other people crazy.

Expecting too much ?

@AvatarOfKaine ouch.

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don't wonder if you aren't welcome there.

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Thank goodness we can rely on good old fashioned mother nature who has supplied us with other places to welcome folk who ask questions and want to answer them.

Though being not such a gold standard, I guess our answers must be second rate then. :-)

It reminds me of so many forums where once someone gets into an admin/moderator position, they throw their power around, just because they can, not because it benefits folk by their decisions.

I guess that is a bit like some politicians.

The ones we vote out of position.

Of course, with forums, we vote with our feet.

I mean, internet databases full of user content, displayed in a unique fashion that some might call a forum, and some might not..

That wall over there, isn't a wall, it is a class division structure, and you shall call it no other thing on pain of death !

@Fast-Nop are you alright , pal? You sounds very angry. I'm concerned.

@Nanos SO is not about you as asking person, as I already explained. If you are too dense to get that in your head, just stay away from SO.

They don't try to educate morons because there are too many of them, it costs too much time, it doesn't even work, and it would only attract more of them. Being unwelcoming to them solves the problem and at worst makes them bitch elsewhere (such as devRant), but that's not SO's problem.

@johnmelodyme that kind of is a FORUM

It's a place to ask questions and collaboratively seek answers

And @fastnop they don't prune their answers on there

On all the stack sites they have questions who's answers are wayyyy outdated and relevant sometimes years earlier

I've googled and found crap answers that misled me many times on stack

@Fast-Nop pretty preachy
Ignorance is not synonymous with stupidity

Neither is being well read synonymous with intelligence

Or hiding in a hole in the ground waiting to troll people till they're discouraged

@johnmelodyme It's just the usual retards who whine about SO, failing to realise that the problem is them, not SO. I'm just ranting because this is devRANT, after all.

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cannot stand the sass

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I wonder if you can tell someone from there simply by how sassy they are here ?

Of course here, they have no power. :-)

Except for words..

Trouble with words is, if you choose the wrong ones, it can give impressions about your personality, your style of reasoning ( If any.. ) and a whole host of other useful bits of information that can at times, give you great insights.

For example, I only have to 'chat' to one of them to see that it would not be a place I could stand to be in for 5 minutes without me saying something that would upset those with power.

Whilst many other places I swan into, help folk and don't give it a second thought that someone will micromanage the entire process as if their life depended upon it.

And then make less than helpful judgements.

Just like Wikipedia..

I wonder what we called wiki's before they got a name, forums.. ?

@TobyDebvRant

Here is a great example of devRant community to help up with an issue

https://devrant.com/rants/5628289/...

@Fast-Nop Also to add to your point, in an episode of Lex Fridman podcast that features Stackoverflow co-founder Jeff Atwood.

At somepoint they comes to a part where they discuss the philosophy and goals of the community. (cant remember the exact timestamp since i listen to it last year)

But basically he talks about how its designed to make you put as much effort into the question as possible from formatting it correctly to formulate as clear as possible. To make the communiction as clear and fast/efficiency as possible.

Also i remember they discuss about, its more general problems etc that would banefits the entire community rather than solving problems for specify cases for specify users.

Also something about the community in general was never intended for newer programmers, therefore why a lot of new comers gets downvoted.

source:

https://youtube.com/watch/...

@Frederick this is helpful.