Chasing happiness in minimizing suffering is the lamest way to live a life.

nah. chasing happiness in maximising other peoples suffering is.

@tosensei I think that's the best way

Actually, usually people that work toward minimizing suffering are doing that for its own sake, and then happiness comes to them as a side-effect. They're not "chasing" it. Definitely chasing happiness in any way is likely a doomed effort. One should pursue meaning, and in the process you may be happy.

To be fair, to some suffering is happiness.

Suddenly realising how many psychopaths are on here...
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@atheist whoopsie daisy

What's better?

@kiki what kind of freedom? Not every freedom is possible.

@kiki freedom and altruism are not mutually exclusive.

@steev on the contrary. granting another person freedom is the highest form of altruism.

freedom and altruism necessitate each other.

@kiki you can't steal it.

i'm freely giving it to the world.

@tosensei but does altruism actually work? It has to have a big critical mass to be a viable strategy at all.

@iiii work for what?

@steev works as a viable strategy that will yield substantial results.

@iiii it has a very small critical mass, actually. just think of the people you call "family" or "friends". do you do good stuff for them just for your own benefit? i guess no. are they people that make your life better? i surely hope yes.

and even if the "critical mass" were very high - like everything, the change has to start somewhere - or it can't happen.

@tosensei not actually small. You need over 50% of individuals being altruistic for the strategy to not die out

@iiii "strategy"?

@steev strategy of being altruistic

@iiii my quotation marks were meant to question why you think altruism is a strategy. because "strategy" implies that you hope to get something out of it. but the very idea of altruism is that you're doing it for others. it's not for you. it's not attached to a "return on investment" or any other bullshit that seems to be drilled into everyone's heads by capitalism now. you just do it cuz it's the right thing to do.

@steev you are actually trying to get something: standing in society; feeling of self worth; maybe even feeling of unity; etc.

Every action has some reason and a goal behind it.

With altruism you are doing it for others because it returns to you in some way or another.

@iiii that answer is the kind of worldview i'm complaining about.

@steev well, you may be trying to gaslight yourself, but it's still the truth: every action is made in expectation of something.

@iiii that's your opinion. i guess we need to just agree to disagree. :)

@steev you can just fuck off with that retarded phrase.