WOW NONE OF U KNOW HOW TO ORGANIZE THE STRUCTURE OF MULTIPLE CLIENT PROJECTS WITHIN A COMPANY?

Never knew this was such a hard task after all

Maybe we want to help you by not commenting

I think you were doing fine. I think there just wasn't a big bias between the first and second option

1. We're mainly disgruntled devs, not Project Managers.
2. You should maybe have read the comments on that post before complaining, maybe think about what was said.

You were given some valid choices imho, but what you were doing was presenting a chosen option and asking how to replicate it elsewhere
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So why should I give options when you already decided?

It's pointless trying to convince you of sth else when you already made a decision.

@IntrusionCM i have also said my logic might be wrong so im open to hearing how You guys would structure it no matter if its some other way. But still no one has successfully managed to explain their logic

@Ranchonyx you dont have to be a project manager, take an example from your work and remember how you worked at XYZ companies. Tell me how they did it from your experience and if you think that approach was workable or not

@b2plane This method does not apply to my company. We use a fully fledged CRM to organise our projects.

just ask it on stackoverflow. im sure they will be friendly

@Ranchonyx can you explain more how that works

@b2plane Structurally, an address is associated via n -> n to a project which is associated via n -> n to tasks. Tasks are associated to resource plans which set an allotted time in person days to be completed. Each task is associated via 1 -> n to time filings which are datasets that contain the spent time for a part of the task which are automatically booked against the resource plans' allotted time.

Then during the development stage of each task feedback meetings are held with the customer.

One important thing to note is that these meetings should be visual, think zoom, teams et cetera.
This is because you can easily read a person's mood by their expressions and judging from that adjust your own behaviour to appeal to the customer more.

Then the project's features are changed based on the customer's wishes. At the end of the project, after deployment the customer is billed the companies rate * taken time in person days.

Generally projects are simply structured in a tree diagram.

Project ABC
|-- Task 1
| `-- Filing 1,2,3...
`-- Task 2
`-- Timing 1,2,3...

@Ranchonyx i think you're explaining how scrum/kanban works? Thats not what im asking. Im asking what software for real time communication do i use to communicate in real time with clients and team project managers etc, organize and schedule meetings etc. It has nothing to do with tasks

Those tasks can be put on jira or trello

@b2plane We don't use Instant messaging or other classic realtime communication apps, we either communicate via tickets or via video conferencing.
Well, teams is used.

Didn't see it and now definitely not going to look. If this is how you are going to react to a question on social media; You don't understand what social means.
NO RESPECT SO FUCK YOU.

Also structuring and organising projects != configuring a communication tool.
Learn how to ask a question first. Perhaps in stack overflow, they will teach you.

@Ranchonyx you are completely right and too kind.

@b2plane

You don't do realtime comms with the customers dude. You want to be separated from the customers if possible.

with your PM yes, just use Teams, Slack, Mattermost. Ideally I'd avoid using messangers that don't have company interest in the mind. Discord for example will have no trouble going through your private data to monitor your behavior on their platform, but something like slack wont, that would be going through company secrets as far as they know.

Then you only meet with the client once ever X weeks to show the progress and make corrections. This is best done using video and communicated via email or phone. You absolutely want the least amount of interaction with the end client, otherwise if they get too involved they will start steering your ship and they have no idea what they are doing. This is why the position of a Product Owner exists. That's the smallest possible form of contact with the customer at scheduled intervals

Also, calm the fuck down mate. You're essentially asking "how do I run a company pls" on twitter. There are books and paid courses on shit like this out there. There is no free lunch

@hjk101 There was no point in blabbering angrily anymore eh?

@Hazarth in the previous job i worked at we were forced to do 15 minute daily meetings every single day from 9:00 - 9:15 am to discuss with the client everything we worked yesterday and what we're gonna work on today...

@Hazarth what is the difference between product owner and project manager?

Also, in my previous job i was a java backend engineer, and together with other engineers + project managers and QA we had to explain the client what we are working on. Every single one of us

So if the communication with the client should be delegated only to product owners/project managers, why was i as a dev forced to communicate?

@Hazarth im not asking how to run a company, im asking questions bit by bit. Learning through that process allows me to solve one giant puzzle on my own

@b2plane

- 15min standups with client:

wrong wrong wrong. That's not supposed to be happening. Don't know what to tell you man. This shouldn't be the case.

- product owner vs project manager:

-> Project managers manage the project, the people, the delivery, the scrum meetings (in SCRUM the role of project manager is usually done by the scrum master)

-> Product owner doesn't manage anything. product owner represents the clients need on the side of the company, he communicates with the client, shows the progress, asks correct questions to help the client set correct goals and so on... then he delegates the findings to a project manager/scrum master, which manages the team to get the goals done

I have no idea what's going on here and I'm too afraid to ask at this point.