For people who use an email provider that's not Google/Microsoft/proprietary-steal-yo'-data. What are y'all's thoughts on it? Are there good open source or proprietary but private(not sell your data to China/US/Uncle greg from the market) ones? Excluding the obvious "just host your own email server".

Tutanota and protonmail are branded for privacy

maybe gmx. not sure.. well they have their servers in germany at least. Other then that you get ad emails and the website is yea a p.o.s. Using it with an other client not gmx clienr work quite well tho

Zoho and Yandex are good
I wouldn't trust OpenSource email tbh. Sounds like a trap to lure in the ones who want to avoid being tracked, since you never know how their data is routed internally so the "open source" part is kinda pointless

@azuredivay lol, is suggesting Yandex some kind of a joke?

@joewilliams007 please not gmx. I use it, and whenever i need to go into the web ui, i get haunted in my dreams for a month, because it's that horrifying

@thebiochemic yea.. thats why i said it should be used with a non gmx client

@electrineer na, Ive used it for ages, works well

their Disk's cheaper per TB than OneDrive or iCloud + better support

dunno if it's slow/pricier in your country .-.

Last time I checked, proton mail was nice.

Simplelogin on your own domain with protonmail, posteo or tutanota

.. when I get around to commit to it and set it up.

Click yourself one of that cheapo managed websites on a webhoster and register a domain want to keep for life. If the webhoster dies, you take your domain to another one. Voila, constant email address for life.

@electrineer Even with Proton mail:

1) headers aren't encrypted, and there's a lot of metadata that can be obtained from that (e.g. who you're talking to, when / how often, even the subject line)

2) end-to-end encryption is only used if both parties support it and you're using the Proton mail client (no e2e encryption for automated emails, or emails sent from third-party clients like Thunderbird, even though they go through Proton mail SMTP)

3) for e2e emails you need to be extra careful with content, since it can't be checked for spam or viruses until you download it

4) unless the person on the other side uses e2e encryption as well (which they probably don't), the content will be visible to whatever email provider they use or whatever email servers the message passes through; those can still build your profile and use it for advertisement

@joewilliams007 fair, i'm using thunderbird, but they have changed policies randomly over the time i have my email there, and it's pain to put them back

Bottom line is, the best you can get in terms of privacy when using email is the ability to send encrypted messages to a handful of trusted people, as long as they actively maintain the same level of privacy on their end.

IMHO if you want privacy, limit the use of email to bare minimum and switch to a platform that has built-in mandatory e2e.

@hitko true, but (full) end to end encryption is something unachievable with mail.

I like Proton. Calendar and Mail.

It just works.

Pricing is reasonable imho.

@IntrusionCM That's why we should've phased it out already in favour of some lightweight OAuth provider that doesn't require an inbox for unsolisticated messages.

Proton is a good option for when you absolutely need email, but realistically most "features" of mail are more of a burden than anything else, so it's better to use other solutions whenever possible.