It's not always true that degree holders hate self-taught developers. Sometimes, it's the other way around. When somebody mentions he gained a cs degree, he sometimes gets hate, too, hearing "degrees are useless! yadayada..." like it's a sin to have one. We should never stop learning whether we have a degree or not, and we should stop this hate and divided culture.

What about self taught degree holders? I decided to do web dev 2.5 years into my bachelor's... For computing systems. Like, object oriented languages, compilers,database management,that kind of focus. Nothing to do with my degree, but I mean having a degree and that background knowledge isn't going to hurt.

@Crazed I would consider myself a self-taught degree holder too :)

@Crazed @nikolatesla What about a self-taught developer with a degree in microbiology? Where do we fit in?

Well a piece of paper without the knowledge is useless. If you needed college to learn it fine but personally i don't care either way cause i already had the knowledge before i got a piece of paper. As for hiring there should be a blind code review where age, sex,race, degrees, or experiance doesn't matter. Everybody learns at their own pace so age doesn't make a difference, wiether your man or woman or anything you have no control over shouldn't have anything to do with job offers/pay. As for degrees and experiance they're people that skate by on other peoples work so neither one of these should be considered as proof that someone can do a job.

@mojaveazure we're all in this together.

@mojaveazure I can relate. I was premed major, and most of my current work is with bionformatics.

Yeah, getting a degree may get a bad rep sometimes

I've been a self-taught developer, before getting a degree in CS.

What can I say is that I fucking prefer self-taught devs over "degree" developers that can't do anything practical. So, I really like you guys.

The other fact is that, without a CS degree, you really don't know what there is *behind* what you're doing. Algorithms, techniques, ways of thinking that I didn't even think about.
There is a world that you probably don't know, and it's awesome.

Situation here is, you do a course, you take an exam, you pass and you have a degree.

You will get the same degree if you pass by 40% or by 99.9%. What significance does that make? Also people here can do anything to pass.
And the courses are based more on theory rather than practical applications.

I spend more time doing projects, because I feel by doing that I can actually learn something. And for that I need to be self-taught, so.....

But degree holder doesn't not like self leaner. Or they don't understand the one who learn by self.
My college is a total waste, course and degree have no interest of mine, or the colleague, who are just pursuing to get a degree.
When I tell someone I want to drop out, or atleast take a year Gap, to learn what I want to. Everyone blows their head and consider as if I don't want to study and tell me how there is no life without a degree. Like they don't know the degree and course I will be getting have any value

Why to waste time on something which is not of your interest, you can hardly face it

It doesn't really matter. You can either do the job or not regardless of a degree.

@Pizza I was going to reply to your comment and give you my wisdom and give my two cents but as I read on your covered it all. Read my mind and a fucking brilliant post my good sir.

A lot of people think that just because a cs degree is largely unnecessary, that for some reason a cs grad somehow knows less than a self learner.

Not at all true. For one, I applaud anyone who could suffer through four years of general ed and otherwise hell.

I have a degree, though not in CS, and I am a self-taught programmer, what does that make me?😁

@kb88 Someone who has a degree, not in cs though, and is a self taught programmer. Possible self identity issues.

@eArshdeep yeah dude, whatever...

@kb88 I didn't offend you did I? Not the intention.

@boo1997 I don't know about you but 40% has never been a passing grade I've seen anywhere.

@kb88 A veloceraptor. ☺️