This is really not accurate actually. The complete dynamics of your salary encompasses a wide range of social, cultural and other economic factors as well as your individual tastes.

Hear, hear!

And why, oh why can’t the UX/UI/frontend:ers just get together and make a decent attempt of at least AN EFFORT to PLAN for something common. It’s fucking different everywhere and it’s fucking annoying. Does not have to look _exactly_ the same but right now it’s just too much…

Got the same. ”The project” (it’s really a simple administrative web application) is complete.

And then we were supposed to celebrate.

Fuckers have spent over a year on it! It’s not really that big!

The code is a fucking mess. Backend is just…wow.

And we should celebrate?

It’s a release that have been post-poned and post-poned.

And we should celebrate?

That fucker should not have been able to reach any production environment. Ever.

I even question its entire existance.

It should not even have started.

Fucking clowns.

The waste is incredible.

Clowns who allow this to continue. Clowns I say!

Seems toxic!

The only thing you can do is do your best. If your stuck, ask for help. When you know something, teach it! If it is not possible to get help and teach, leave! It’s not going to get better.

Every day. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I feel that all are morons without any real knowledge…

They just…

roam the halls

or something…

it is all very dysfunctional…

I mean… pm:s not doing pm stuff? Then…what good are they?

Don’t agree. I think most people use a little bigger words in their resume. But they don’t lie.

Job descriptions on the other hand are almost always written by retards who LIE to get you interested.

”You will be working maintaining, designing and developing our complex platform utilizing state of the art software”

means

It’s several cron jobs…

It’s fucking stand-still as an employee..

I mean. I was a consultant for +15 years. Now, not so much.

It really makes you question your choices sometimes.

But nice benefits. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@SidTheITGuy This is actually true.

Hey! If you move to Windows 11 you will still have the same problems! 😊

And 11, must be better than 10!

For connected stuff we all had BBS:s. Staying up, well, all night. Because this minimized the telephone bill.

Before that it was great too.

Agreed. But it’s also up to the other transeiver end.

@retoor perhaps some are photographs?

@IntrusionCM yeah…why?

I thing ”hate” is not a strong enough word…for me…

I just…

I mean…

It’s dysfunctional…

It’s the annoying kid in school…it’s the bully…

Hate…it is not enough.

The state of frontend is really that of a pathological one…

Schizofrenic… and lacking many times all sense of logic…

And most of all, it does not really work that well…

Good rant!

@b2plane Yes. There are very interesting problems in finance to solve though. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Hey! Good question!

I think you need to love it. I mean. I have a _romantic_ view on hardware and software.

What great new worlds we build!

We. We are changing the world. Every day!

There is so much unleashed productivity gains out there in bad software, old software, mis-aligned systems and often…absolutely no software at all. Pen and paper. Works! Telephone. Works!

I mean, the number of business processes that are built upon Microsoft Excel is huge. The errors made on a single day on the planet Earth is staggering.

Every day we make things better (and worse!)

Find a large company that aopreciates software where you see both career moves horizontally and vertically. This is not the truth! You will have to find a good organization where management is ”good”. (Large corps also sucks by the way but they have a lot if potential movement!)

I think it’s a great job! All jobs has pros and cons, dev-stuff is no different! I love code and computers.

Valid questions for sure. There is so much confusion!

At the moment, for big corp stuff, we see many potential work loads where the productivity is potentially enhanced by allowing generative AI in different contexts.
It’s so early.
We don’t know what the hell we are doing!
Often we find ourselves in discussions and the consensus is that in the majority of work loads the general feeling is that the error in correctness often outweighs the productivity increase.
But. Dev things aside!
One must consider and appreciate the vast number of hours we spend in finding the right wording in a presentation and maybe even ten times that time in trying to understand a twenty page whatever document.

It’s an assistant. We should treat it as such.

It is truly a remarkable era!

We are ”forcing” all teams to tag and comment the source code/commits if some code has been generated, changing flow of the daily work in these events.

Some projects does not even have a single test of any kind

@Hazarth it’s not solved! It’s not! It’s not solved! They forget! Twenty years ago. And still! They have had hundred of thousands of hours to innovate this away. But no.

It’s not solved! If it was solved it would have been implemented all over.

It’s like web projects is happy with ANY ANSWER to the question if the back button work. ANY ANSWER!

IT’S NOT WORKING! Pick a random site!

Well, make your point in by doing catastrophic failure workshops. These are great eye openers for a lot of people.

Many systems or sub-systems are not well designed and indicate huge losses (financial and sleep) if they suddenly vanishes.

I have met many peeps working in the role of any type of architecture in software dev. I have even met technical architects without, wait for it, any software development experience. Those are a real kicker. Turns out many times that they just a req analyst or pm or some human guessing wildly. Don’t know software. In many projects, they get away with it. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I have turned down many request as ”lead … architect”/whatever in projects because it was really what the job was about.

Clowns just wants a name in a RACI!

It is a circus!

Frontend is a stopper. That is my experience. After 20 years in the business. Ish.

When they ask me now if we should develop a custom solution in this and that project I say hell no. Don’t you dare motherfuckers! We will be stuck with that shit for years and years! There are specific exceptions though and they are many (even in big corp).

It’s 2023. And we still can’t customize the UI to suit just me. Fuck! The Microsoft Word guys did it! Fucking 20 years ago… I mean Word!

It’s stupid.

Web frontend is stupid.

I get high blood pressure just talking about it…

@IHateFrameworks Generative code will improve over time. We need to understand how we can manage this new capability on a day today basis. Tests is the only thing I can imagine that will be able to contain this force.

The whole cycle will consume a lot of power though. Since it has to run all the time.

It would be an interesting project.

But we are not there yet. So I am not worried at all. And the thing has to be very small to be understandable.

It’s all Excel in the end…

It’s all about power. Nothing new.

I on the other hand don’t give a fuck.

We need to build effective teams with seriously high authz.

One guy! One single women with a cloud and a pipeline engine IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH! A whole team? Oh mama!

We ENGINEER AWAY the risks. Distribute it. Dilute it. Resilience. Stability. (Aka send the bill to someone else)

Those motherfuckers who stands in the way (when the decision has already been made) are all around. It’s all about power.

If you don’t feel like you are productive or learning or shipping… leave. Your services are wanted elsewhere!

Depends. I have experience from a lot of variants. Students comes in many forms. Where we work the number of systems are in the hundreds and the business processes…not easy. And so, some of the system has large complexity and we had a hard time putting some of the interns/students there. If was just…too long a learning curve for almost all of them. Engineering students we had better experiences with since they tend to learn quicker. I guess they are both smarter and maybe more important have learned how to consume new findings.

We also do joint thesis/phd supervising which is really, really good value for money. It is also something we prioritize.

@nachocode insane amount of time is spent on frontends. To no or little (valuable) use. Many times. Many many projects.

Projects take form, is planned, communicated and yada yada yada, executed… done.

But.

It was all wrong from the beginning.

All wrong.

The entire thing should not have been allowed to be born.

Waste.

In global corp this is sooo common. Things just emerges. Out of thin air! Peeps just DO stuff without thinking and asking.

This is why it is so important with governance.

I am the keymaker.

None shall pass.

But peeps find ways around us anyway.

It is clown business all around.

Our cyber teams are…frustrated (boiling)

One cloud? Hell, we tried for years. Now we have all clouds. Which is a good thing of course. But a curse.

All I want is to sit in silence in a forrest.

But nooooo, need to go on a fucking AIRPLANE to the US. Could have been a zoom. Hell, email correspondance would have done it. Sometimes, I think that they WANT to travel…

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@max19931 Nick. But you can be too. 😊