wish there were c/c++-like forums and communities but for rust

such a dead gen z language goddamn

tbh it's like rust has no culture other than writing too many words and being fakely nice while actually being dismissive and standing in the way of discovering actual answers. it's like they lack curiousity? humanity? I don't even know

The reddit is very active unlike c++

If you gonna join the Rust Reddit, make sure your username is malloc4life or mallocdiscipline.

Make from this site the Rust site :) You can talk here about any Rust related thing you want. There are not enough real rants anyway. We need new content type.

@retoor What about:

"RealProgrammersUseC++" as user name for Rust community?

@12bitfloat but no BBS forums or nerdy discord sub communities. c++ have close-knit groups but rust is centralized and modded

I hate the modern forums. and reddit's upvote system makes knowing people individually impossible. people get distracted by the points system and lose their humanity

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on rust lang meta I found a post where someone was talking, quite politically correctly, that rust communities seem a bit toxic

everyone replied with their take on their experiences. which were too verbose and said nothing

and then a mod came in and closed the thread for being unproductive

aight

@Demolishun insta banned

Rust is the NFT of programming languages. It seemed like a good idea, a year into a pandemic lockdown.

@MM83 Wrong

(queue trump clip)

@12bitfloat Right! 😁😁😁

@12bitfloat to be honest, it didn't even seem like a good idea to me then, and I'd been day-drinking alone for six months. I might go see what Rust looks like from this notionally stable position.

@MM83 for people who don't have the discipline for malloc and free. Nothing is free, not even performance. 😁😁😁.

@MM83 ah, don't pull out. Let's kick the Rust devs down now. I'm with you 😁.

@retoor don't worry, my pull out game is terrible. They're ok, they're just junior really. Like when you first start out and you think that, I dunno, Flash Actionscript is the best language on Earth because it's the only one you've used.

@MM83 wow wow wow. Seen my site? I'm Actionscript superstar. Actionscript till I die and stuff. Flash should've stayed. But yes, while working on the most stable operating system ever made they're still hypocrite enough to call C an unsafe language just because you can't master it in 15 minutes and requires discipline. It's not C, it's the dev being unsafe.

@retoor right. These languages are supposed to be "unsafe", how else are we supposed to feel smug for writing in them? Making C "safe" is like putting stabilisers on a motorbike.

@MM83 exactly. Like a motor it's a power tool in the right hands and not for everyone. Don't drive a car and say a motor is bad because you can't drive it well huh :) it's not the motors fault, some people drive motor very well.

@MM83 me with my big mouth, i think i have a memory leak in my PYTHON CODE. is that even possible...

@MM83 Rust's pretty great but also frustrating some times

Still my favorite language by far, it's so beautiful

@jestdotty You're already taked about you hate going to other languages due to some of the things Rust does great

Don't pretend ;)

@jestdotty But if it smells good I don't see the problem

@12bitfloat I'm only messing, I'm a bit beyond language wars, they're all great and they're all shit.

What put me off jumping in was genuinely that it was 2021 and everyone was half-mad, I didn't see many of the trends of that year sticking, not least at attempt on the daddy language itself (no idea when it came out but this was the year I remember hearing about it loads, out of nowhere).

@jestdotty Rust is used in crypto but I think it's only a small part of the rust community. Rust is used a lot where C++ makes sense, so more low level stuff like load balancers, databases, game engines

Dropbox and Cloudflare have a bunch of their backbone infrastructure in Rust for example

@jestdotty I was Rust curious until I saw the political activism in the community. I am interested in seeing where it goes in the future, but I will do this from a distance. My main concern is if I ever need to learn it for a job. Right now that is looking very unlikely.

In the C++ circles I am in any political crap is met with disdain.

This is an example of why I have no interest in Rust community. The commenters are typical of the shit on Reddit, but I have also seen this in dedicated forums.

https://reddit.com/r/rust/...

I see this in other tech projects as well. If someone speaks out against certain political activists then they get cancelled.

@Demolishun Not using Rust because some people are idiots is extremely foolish

Not to mention that Rust is one of the lesser political communities. Rust never had a BLM or feminism or whatever banner on any of their websites like Go and SASS did. They don't have any DEI programs or shit like that. Even their reddit (with reddit being as insufferably left wing as possible in general) isn't political at all. There's no rainbow flags or nothing

I think you have a seriously false impression

@jestdotty C++ is pretty terrifying from a dry start, very dense syntax, pointer mania, and std functions with oblique names that can't be pronounced. If you have the added perception that it's "unsafe", I can totally understand why Rust is more appealing to someone starting out.

@12bitfloat could be, but IIRC I saw political activism on the Rust site in the blogs. It only gets worse on Reddit. Conversely, on r/cpp political crap is not welcomed at all.

@Demolishun I read the Rust reddit fairly actively and I can't say I have ever seen political activism (though my memory isn't that great)

Only pretty drama every now and then

@12bitfloat

"Not using Rust because some people are idiots is extremely foolish"

I am finding that in order to stay mentally healthy that I need to eliminate unproductive stressors in my life. That includes people and groups that have outright disdain for my beliefs or me as a person. Having them in my life is not a gain for me. So if I sense even a whiff of political AIDS then I avoid. This leads me to take part in highly focused communities that don't allow it at all.

One exception to this is devrant. Its a place to fuck off in. Nobody is trying to cancel people who don't agree with each other.

I don't need Rust in my job. It also doesn't look like it will be even on the horizon in the next 5 to 10 years. If my boss says we need to learn Rust. I will learn Rust. Currently there is zero driver for this.

@12bitfloat I guess what I am really saying is: I have had enough and not going to tolerate it any more. I am done being polite. It is never reciprocated.

@12bitfloat I think in part you are right. I probably shouldn't judge Rust community based on Reddit. I did look at the official Rust forums and it looks like a well run tech community. So in the future, if I need to learn Rust, I will just go there for help.