Is the one who goes ahead everytime in meeting and explains what the team is doing and progress to boss, gets more recognition despite he actually contributes to the task? Is that how it works or the silent workers who actually contributes to the tasks gets the recognition too.. should I keep silent?

Depends how much of a cock the boss is.

I am a mayor flexer for a reason. I do a lot and let people know. My salary requests don't get denied. When it went less good with the company, the silent guy who did his work perfect and kinda was like a ghost because he also never had issues got let go the first.

I think being a pleasurable person gives you more success than skills. I know someone with a strong own opinion while not having right to speak according to many because he's inexperienced just gave up on work. Didn't work out with anyone. Found a way to make kinda minimum income online and lives isolated. Hmm, just realize I'm the same now. Fuck. Aaaargh. And just as him, I'm also happy. The world is so beautiful and quiet when you don't have people around you talking about the crazy news. Fear porn everywhere. After being isolated so long I really started to appreciate life. Before I did party a lot, work a lot, drink a lot. Everything a lot. Now nothing, nothing nothing. So peaceful. I feel sad for city people.

@retoor
Being the opposite of that, I totally agree. Mentioned many times my manager that I wouldn’t farm all the influence bullshit, spam Slack for nothing, shout about achievements, provide solutions for problems that don’t exist or anything of that kind. I instead focus on blazing fast delivery, developer experience and extreme pragmatism. This provided me nothing, but because it’s me, I obviously complained about not getting a pay raise.

@Tounai oh, I deliver too dear. https://codeium.com/. I'm in top 1% smashing tab, I don't generate code, that doesn't give you keypresses. Yh, you have to do both, flex and work hard. At one company all salaries were kinda low because the reference point, a good older dev was not very commercial. He also had dedication for company and he just relatively got paid bad making it hard for others too. Was a very interesting guy btw. Probably forever single, overweight enough to not see his pp probably and was knock out if he took a stair instead of elevator also, he wears the classic dutch wooden shoes everwhere, also while driving. The most fun part is - this company actually had a dress Cody and everyone had a copy of a beautiful code and conduct etc etc and he just walks in with wooden shoes and nobody that dares to say it's inappropriate. So, he kinda had a boss status and much respect. Fine guy.

I was head of everything and got nothing for it, so I think it really depends on the specific company culture

actually in my case being head of everything resulted in coercion instead of raises or anything like that. the insult rate of me as a person increased over time and also then they had incentives to bully me

in my head if I do well by you you should be doing well by me but that was not on the mind of the company leaders. instead, because I can't bring myself to be passive aggressive and I view such stuff as pussy behaviour that would disgust me, I have PTSD about attaching myself to a company again in case management breaks HR protocols to phone call me at all hours and telling me they'll blackball my career to the industry and accusing me of things I didn't do and telling me if I worked just a little harder, out of nowhere, I could be as good as a random consultant they were renting out to basically follow instructions while I actually made their whole company thrive... etc

@retoor I wore sweatpants to work. it was kind of sly though. they made the same material but looked like Capri / cargo pants. well a dev they hired cuz I asked to be replaced tried to be cheeky. and wore actually sweatpants. when HR talked to him about it he pointed to me. HR liked me (but I was suspicious of her cuz she was always too meddling with me) so just ignored it like he never said anything... I've had people do that to me when I point out hypocrisy but I've never seen someone do that FOR me

they were comfy pants. and I wasn't trying to be disgusting. they were cotton with rubber for a belt. comfy! he did it like an asshole 😩

in this case it isn't so much that she respected my work but because she had this obsession of setting me up with a guy for some reason. she tried with 2 co workers. tried to get my phone once after getting me drunk to text the friends that were pulling me away to go home. I actually was poly with 3 boyfriends at the time and told no one lol

@retoor
I won’t do the farming but I am among the people who dare to rant about not getting paid enough. And I can always switch job anyway. I am not coerceable.

I'm the guy who does his job very well, behind the scenes.

My direct supervisor is pretty much the only one that sees what I do.

I'm !into being the center of attention.

Even w/ the very positive feedback I received from the supervisor, which was presented to the boss, my pay is shitty.

@D-4got10-01 nah, if you just do what you like, pay isn't really shitty right :). My employers should never find out that I would do it for almost free 😂 But I frequently ask for raises because I can. Never did it for the money, I can't stop working. I do not work at the am and spend coding 86 12/7 hours a week. Whoops.

@retoor Right... correction: !shitty, but still underpaid.

Doing what I like is helping, though.

@D-4got10-01 nobody gets the amount he deserves for hard work. If I my effort would really be cashed out I would've been rich as F. Work is my #1 life thing. I invest everything regarding resource. But I don't get that tired during work, it gives energy. Days fly by. Not trying to please anyone. I'm just having a lot of fun. Work is / was my favorite place to be. Costed relationships tho.

@retoor Having fun at work is kind of a must.

So yeah, I do prefer having a bit less money but have fun at work, than the other way around.

@retoor it's not about being paid for effort. that's stupid. but being paid for results

lots of people can do lots of effort and get nowhere. we call them communists /joke

but lots of people pretend to do effort when they do dumb things, then complain to each other how much effort it was and how they deserve things for it

it's about if you actually did anything. I can spend 3 hours on peeling an orange, it'll be a lot of effort. and still not have an edible orange cuz I decided to draw Jesus on it instead of being efficient. honestly a lot of office work looks like this

but if I was useful I would expect to be treated like I was useful and for you to be useful back to me. I don't want a pizza party, that's literally disgusting and poison, and therefore an insult and self sabotage if I was useful. It is tiring to get this treatment. people don't know how to trade. the world runs on scams it seems

@retoor and if you're coding / focusing on your work it means you're a bad employee

you should really focus on the office drama. otherwise you're not this company's material. you have a bad attitude. not a team player.

nevermind that it took a total of 2 weeks a year to setup all the software and the rest of your time is spent babysitting children. or defrauding the government for research and development paperwork and you're not a goddamned secretary. and useless meetings where people complain about things that are not real. why are you in them? nobody knows. listen to people bitch. do "overtime" to hear people bitch. that's the job now. there is no focus. focus is illegal. focus also opens you up to all those nasty comments. you can't focus on the code, someone's gonna drive by and snipe you in the back while you're not looking. also we have cameras on you 24/7. don't forget to smile

@jestdotty true, but I actually do like a pizza party. That's less worse than the Playstation and Xbox at work, talking about a cheap way to get people happy and show them what you expect from them. Look, some game computer, devs like that. F off, make me drunk with quality beer instead. That's invest in employees.

@jestdotty I was always doing some job related stuff after work, because I just like it, I do often the fun parts private and ask if it's ok to work on it later during work time. So I invest some free time to make work time more fun . Totally for myself, not really with company in mind. Then said a neighbor "don't other coworkers hate you working harder?". Loser. He works somewhere where you at a bastatd if you work harder than average. They see it as screwing over the others. Sad sad. Would never work there.