"Unit tests are a waste of time, and we should avoid doing that if possible. "

Kill me please.

😂😂😂 please tell me that came from the boss and not from the pm...

Unit tests are not a waste of time, WRITING unit tests, however, is

Well, do functional programming then, I think. 🤔

Same guy in implementation: "why the hell didn't this get caught? There should have been more testing."

Unit tests are a waste of time on small teams and on most everyday projects.
Most projects dont have consistent specs, so everytime the pm/boss/client comes up with something new you have to rewrite the app and the unit tests.

The only real use I've gotten out of unit tests is verifying algorithms. I once wrote a search engine which did some analysis on the input first. I wrote tests for over 20 use cases of this analysis and wrote code until they all passed.

For everything else I write functional tests, or end-to-end tests as some people call it, using selenium or calling an api endpoint with a proper request.

@sharktits how do you get them if not writing?

@sSam yeah exactly, thats the root of the problem. 99% of unit tests could and should be generated, yet we have no such program yet.

@sharktits how would you go about generating them? Could you show an example?

@sSam its not that hard to reflect on methods and try them with, say, "", " asd", null, if they take a string.

@sharktits yeah, but how is the generator supposed to know what should be the output of the method or what is it supposed to do?

@sSam i mean, null checks and exceptions checks, but it shouldnt be too hard to check output either

@sharktits and how it would know what kind of exception when should occur? Maybe nulls are valid arguments for that method, maybe they're not, how would generator know?

Something to think about, if you happen to disregard unit/integration tests

http://blog.codepipes.com/testing/...

Unit tests are a waste of time (sometimes).

I’ve seen (and been the perpetrator of) both extremes.

I like living here in the middle now.

Enough coverage that I know if I’ve done something silly.

Not so much that if I decide to fix something silly I don’t have to budget a Millenia to redo the tests.

@Brolls That's the exact reason I don't like BD testing

Yes i don't particularly enjoy writing unit tests either! Instead i started working on building someting that will automatically do sanity check validation on the most common models. Once completed it should just just work for 80% of the backend functionally.