when did you follow PHP developers last used PHP without a framework or at least used PHP itself for the most part?

a foreach and if don't count .. obviously 😁

I dont use any php frameworks. Though to be fair, it's probably because I haven't learned any yet xD

At work we don't for a lot of projects. Some are understandable. Some are in dire need of a good framework.

There is a lot of in the wild php code out there that could do from a framework rewrite man

Yesterday.

Some projects do need a framework to hold them together, but when requirements change every few days and features pile in constantly, i find going frameless allows for a more flexible codebase that can keep up without fighting the framework to make it do what I need it to do.

I wrote an entire registration/login system in vanilla, does that count?

I mean there are a lot of places where a framework is actually a pretty good idea.

But I don't think we always need them or at least need to use all of the features they offer and what not. A good few months back I was talking to a colleague and the topic of file streams came up.. he said he didn't 'really understand those' so he rarely used them.. I mean those wsre the first things that books/tuts ware starting with and he is supposed to be a senior to me.. that is what I don't get, are there more PHP developer out there or [Framework X]...

The case where @C0D4 mentioned.. I've also been there ORM making infinite loop because of DB structure about a couple of months back

I believe in frameworks for when they're usefull... But sometimes it's better to reinvent the wheel yourself as well, if you only need a specific subset of features that you don't want to include a whole framework for...

Anyhow that being said, I like the current symfony iteration, with it being rather barebones, with just basic routing set up... It's a big step forward to me.. You want orm or something else, add it with composer and symfony will play nice with it though...

Has been very long. Like years ago. 😬 Even for small projects, I used some micro framework like slim, lumen or fat-free.