Who is this? @shion

@shion

@alice ggwp, good luck further

Does this mean blue wins?

Seems like I got the last snapshot.

It doesn't even exists.

I do not think she deleted her account accidentally.

I know she wouldn't like it if we talked about her but I can't ignore it if a big member leaves like that (Last time our feedback was to announce her leaving before going if she doesn't want us to discuss it).

I hope she got a reason for that and is fine now.

That's all.

@bigus-dickus @AlexDeLarge I don't even know how much I'm down now. I care more about someones decision to leave a community without any announcing.

Who was it again, deleting the account while being drunken? :D

@AlexDeLarge @BambuSource almost recovered from it though 😁 cheers! Totally learned from that mistake though. Currently learning about the API, hopefully I'll be able to make my own client with sudo integration soon!

Wait.. seriously, our goddess of pink left? 😐

@bigus-dickus RIP 😢

My points got down too, but not that much.

I really hope it's not because of the stupid Alice-Bob-jokes on my latest rant. She seemed to be pretty annoyed by that. =/

@bigus-dickus Phew... thank you for that information. I felt kinda guilty for this. However, it would've surprised me if anyone left this community because of some annoying joke.

Exactly then, when I get all exited creating a bot for her account.
I mean she liked the bot project, as well, and asked if it can be viewed from a web interface (if I recall it correctly).
Anyways, Good luck with your following path irl, Alice.
It was nice to have you on dR.

According to her website, the account still exsists

@ewpratten it's probably still in the database with a deactivated value.

ANNOUNCEMENT

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM ALICE

Please don't mention me. I have already said that I will leave this community back in April or May. I wanted to take a rest. Thank you.

I just gonna leave this here

@wowotek, oh my... that is another interesting screenshot.

@wowotek is this ss from last week?

ah shit
Well, her choice.

I cannot speak for her, but I do know this. Multiple people I've spoken have seen this community and some older people change. Where devRant was a good home before a lot of new community members and a few old lads who have changed, changed the community for the worse.

People have started to become mean to each other and there are a few people who needed this community because of their personal situations at home. devRant was great, but the toxicity of the people here have made the people who have been depending on the community to make their lives a bit better go away or less active.

Most of the times people say it's a "joke" or it was "sarcasm" but when will people learn that jokes are supposed to be funny (and not just for the person who made the joke, but also other people) and that sarcasm is really difficult to see when it's a typed text. Please use the sarcasm tags in your message ("/s" or [/sarcasm]".

[To be continued]

[Continuing from my comment above]

Yes some community members have left us already, but it's not to late to make sure other people won't. Only make offensive jokes if you know the other person can take it. A good example for that I once said "We don't like testers here (@Floydian)". I know he knows I am joking and I love him being here.

So please people, make sure you behave or else devRant will die before we do.

@Floydian @alexdelarge it has been always the case, not just recently and while browsing through some rants it seems she just got pissed off at everything left and right - somebody making a joke about sjws for example etc. - if people can't handle themselves it's better to take a break and she was constantly advertising that she will delete her account anyway, so I guess that's her way of dealing with it.

@CoffeeNcode to be fair most "user bashing" comes after one says some absolutely blatant bullshit or is full of himself, I just myself prefer to browse only subscriptions and mentions, so I rarely get into this whole drama people create around themselves and can't just like Alex probably - see any of that arguing and drama some lunatic kids on here spark.

@Codex404 SPEECH 100

@JoshBent yeah that (user bashing when they did something stupid) was indeed what was happening in the past. Nowadays people get randomly pulled into a rant they don't really have an connection to and then they get bashed...

@CoffeeNcode it have been like that for quite a while now unfortunately

@Codex404 Would love some examples, since all I saw Alice ever being pulled in was for what she actually wanted to be mentioned anyway - pink things, vector illustrations etc. - but as said I just avoid all bullshit drama by just filtering my content anyway.

@not-sure user bashing itself isn't bad unless it gets personal or isn't done in a joking way.

Where things were fine in the past, a lot of users (especially the newer ones) are constantly crossing lines. That is the thing @CoffeeNcode is talking about as far as I understand.

@JoshBent Usually, for what I’ve seen, it’s just small things or comments that suddenly explodes because people misunderstand each other. I can’t find an example since I usually try not to get involved

@Codex404 Just saw your comment above and gotta say it's a lot about nothing, people will leave either way and you clearly haven't been part of the bbs times, because there's always people that get offended by the smallest shit or make a huge fuck up and abandon/delete their account, if people think the only solution is to delete their account, good riddance I guess, fuck does my day change from it, devrant won't die from it and once the block function launches, then those lunatics can just block everybody they come across to stay in their bubble.

@CoffeeNcode @Codex404
It is really hard to seperate both of you in my mind while reading the comments.
Sometimes your comments get saved interchangeably.

@Codex404 I’ve seen things get totally out of hand at least for half a year, that’s what I meant. It’s not something that started a month ago

@Codex404 you'd be surprised how many newbie accounts I monitored and dfox annihilated them almost 5 minutes after they talk any shit, it's again just drama to think they are worth any mentioning

@JoshBent That is great, but certain people really get attacked over and over again. I report it, I downvote it as offensive and I tell them what they are doing is not how it should be.

But those people are still here and are saying that I shouldn't try to fix things because it's some "inside joke" between the two people, while I know it isn't.

Really this community has changed in the past year, you might not see that because, as you said, "I prefer to read subscriptions and mentions", and I don't see you on the rants it happens, that doesn't mean you haven't read it, but if you are saying "it's a lot about nothing" then I'm pretty sure you haven't seen it happening.

[TBC]

@JoshBent I've been in similar situations with other communities before and the types of comments being posted here can cause someone to feel bad about themselves. In one of the communities I was a moderator of a community member committed suicide and mentioned the community in its letter. That event got me so badly that I am now fighting to avoid this happening again.

@AlexDeLarge I cannot go in details because I haven't talked with her, but I've seen her getting "attacked" by offensive comments multiple weeks in a row sometimes multiple times a day.

That on itself might not be a big deal, but from my experience (as mentioned in one of the other comments here) some people need an online community. When you hear from a mother of a community member that their son has committed suicide and he had written about the community in his letter it will break you. That guy had written that the first few years the community was a place where he felt safe and welcome. That had changed by some people over the years and combined with his shitty life at school and home he didn't see another way. As moderator on that community I tried my best to ban those people, but I didn't have enough tools for it. The behaviour of some of the people here is close to bullying if it isn't already.

@Codex404 I doubt the community was the only thing making him suicide - not trying to belittle it, but usually if somebody is truly suicidal - anything can be a trigger, so if you even try to hold any harm away from them one one website out of 50, something else will take its place, you can't just magically stop it, especially beyond a certain point where professional help that would prevent said person to do any self harm is vital.

@JoshBent Yeah, that's what I explained in another comment, everything was shit, community was the only safehaven. two years later community had changed and his life hadn't. That made him go.

@AlexDeLarge Feel free to contact me out of devRant where I can type comments that are long enough to explain the situation and give examples.

But @dfox knows about it because I've reported those comments.

@AlexDeLarge Feel free to contact me out of devRant where I can type comments that are long enough to explain the situation and give examples.

But @dfox knows about it because I've reported those comments.

@Codex404 so the mother was the community owner and didn't do anything? with both physical access to him and what is causing all that? sounds like a fairy tale or crime.

Except if you mean by mother some sort of higher ranked member, which is weird in itself imho.

@Codex404 you can split long comments across multiple comments or pastebin it.

@JoshBent No? The mother had nothing to do with the community until she found his letter where the community was mentioned and made an account to talk with the moderators/admins.

@JoshBent lol, I hope to see comments in pastebins one day...

@AlexDeLarge Doing that in public makes me just as bad as those people. Its like murdering a murderer. Doesn't matter who you murder it will still be a crime.

@Codex404 ah, I assumed she was part of it for some reason, well it's usually rare to be able to not show any signs at all, so some ignorance had to be part of it along the chain of events - it sucks he took his life over some internet trolls, but you need to understand that you can't make every community you'll be part of now - bow down to your ideal, shit happens and will happen, if the community won't be the trigger, it will be something else, completely wrong attempt at prevention in my eyes.

@JoshBent so I should just let internet bullies be?

@Codex404 You should just use the tools given to you to report false behaviour and if it is over the line, dfox in this case - will nuke the person eventually, it rarely helps to try to white knight somebody to a "bully" you'll just make a fool out of yourself and give more knobs a fun time and maybe even make them want to spark that person more, because last time was so fun.

@Codex404 Just to justify internet bullies or anything, but the internet in general is pretty toxic. devRant isn’t different in that regard

@Codex404 Don't fear to share stuff. It's still something someone else posted in the first place. You shouldn't let internet bullies be internet bullies. But reporting is a first step, I guess.

@JoshBent I'm reporting them, downvoting them and then make a comment that it's not good behavior and every single time the person being attacked has thanked me for it.

@AlexDeLarge No, you’re always so sweet and loving in your rants

@Codex404 maybe devRant might need some kind of moderator mechanism. I, for example, don't use devRant on a daily basis. I come here when i like to read some rants or if i have something worthy to rant about. I don't have the time to understand all the underlying social structures or relations users have with each other - it's hard for me to distinguish between fun or seriousness. I won't be a big help by downvoting bullys. It even took me a while to get used to @AlexDeLarge ;)

Nevertheless, i love devRant and don't like when people feel the need to leave due to other people being mean. Maybe it's okay to talk about problematic behaviour of some users in public: That may result in a possibility to talk about the problem and maybe make those users themself understand another perspective and adjust their behaviour.

In the end, we're all just some developers searching for some distraction from the daily work, aren't we? Let's keep it this way =)

@Codex404 and the "bully" magically stopped afterwards? I can get how that could temporarily help somebody, but that's about it.

@AlexDeLarge the "care" in "alexdelarge" stands for loving and caring, duh

@bigus-dickus perfectly well put

@bigus-dickus the real MVP (the combo-breaker gif)

@-ANGRY-CLIENT- hmmm let the picture speak it self

@wowotek the screenshot implies it was you who downvoted, what are you trying to prove? that your votes won't count once you get downvote banned? lol

@JoshBent i'm not proving anything, it's my decicion to downvote. yet i don't want to make anymore mess between them especially in my rants. besides, it was a bug since the comments are shown duplicates or sometimes not shown at all. so there is a lot of misconception there (i think).
but still, i do want to downvote that for my own personal reason.

@JoshBent and also it was @-ANGRY-CLIENT- who asked me when the ss is taken. my original intention was showing the date on that particular ss

Ahh this explains a lot